Eyes down for a full house … as we go to press the first debate between presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is about two-thirds in, and it got scrappy around the 20-minute mark. Starting at about 20 minutes, after a few polite exchanges about trade and even a feint at agreement — “Hillary and I agree on a number of things, such as childcare,” Trump said early — the form of the debate started to come apart, as Trump began to interrupt and bait Clinton.
While Clinton began with generalities — we’ve got to have better jobs, smarter jobs — and a few specificities about family leave and equal pay, Trump launched into a version of his stump speech. “Mexico, China, they’re taking our jobs, they’re cheating, Ford, Carrier air-conditioning,” which nevertheless had a more concrete appeal.
He then launched into the airier parts of the stump, talking about the “beautiful” way in which country would revive under “my new tax plans”. Clinton immediately attacked those plans as a new version of trickle-down — “I call it trumped up trickle down,” she said, the first of several pretty flat jokes of the evening.
After that, it all started to come apart. “We are in a big fat ugly bubble,” said Trump, launching into a garbled explanation of the Federal Reserve, which had a touch of the crazy libertarian about it. Trump went in hard on Clinton’s record and might have scored some points with attacks on her support in the ’90s for NAFTA, and her very late conversion to opposition to Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Trump turned that into a broader attack on politicians “who have failed us for 30 years … What were you doing for 30 years?” “You’re blaming me for everything,” Clinton said sometime later. “Why not?” Trump shot back, one of several sharp shots Trump got in, and which Clinton struggled with.
However, Clinton returned to the fray when a question turned on Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns — and then took it onto Trump’s business credentials, his $600 million-plus debt, his refusal to pay creditors and the like. “Maybe you won’t release your returns because you don’t want people to know you pay no taxes?” “That would make me smart,” Trump replied, a riposte-becoming-Democratic-ad before your eyes.
A section on race turned on inner-city crime and racial profiling, which gave Trump a chance to pinion Clinton on her both-sides-now response on police deaths and black deaths — “we need respect for … everyone”. Clinton had the opportunity to slate Trump for his firm’s involvement in discriminatory housing in the ’70s – and then step aside as he gave a garbled response to questions about his five-year “flirtation” with birtherism. “Your response, Secretary Clinton?” said the moderator. “Well, listen to what you just heard,” said Clinton, to laughter.
With the “presses” “ready” to “roll”, the debate has turned to national security — a chance for Trump to hit Clinton on Iraq, and Clinton to slide in as many Putin references as possible. Which was characteristic of the whole debate, really — Clinton selling rationality, Trump parading his simpler, more populist style. I would call it as a draw, neither side landing blows or prompting gaffes. Few people will be convinced across from one side to the other by what was really a rematch.
Stop Press: And of course all the good stuff happens just as you file, with Trump getting into a great fight with the moderator about whether he had been against the Iraq war. “I was totally against the war! I told Howard Stern! Ask Sean Hannity! … You know what the best thing about me is? My temperament! I have a much better temperament than Secretary Clinton! I have the best temperament!” He then launched into a bizarre ramble about Clinton — “You were behind a blue screen yelling at someone, it was appalling!” Pause. “Wow,” said Clinton, to laughter. Wow indeed.
Clinton won by a country mile. [arms out in cruciform à la Trump] Period.
But you’re right, the debate probably won’t sway ‘rusted on’ supporters of each candidate and, on that basis, it was a draw.
What will be interesting will be how the ‘undecideds’ (the ones who actually intend to vote) will see it. I suspect that Hillary will win more of those over than The Don too, but maybe that’s wishful thinking.
To follow The Donald’s logic on being too smart to pay taxes, if even half the US population was as ‘smart’ then the Federal Treasury would be looking fairly bare. Of course he’s hiding something by not disclosing his tax returns, Clinton made that point clear.
What a shame I missed the Howard Stern/Trump interview on Iraq, a truly formidable meeting of the minds. Was it conducted during a break at one of Trump’s beauty pageants?
Hey there Guy. Even at the point you had to stop there is no way that debate was a “draw”. Trump was embarrassing. Not going to sway the Trumpsters but any thinking people could not possibly say he was anything but embarrassing. When HRC started talking about his demeaning words about women I thought his head was going to explode…..and then there is the post debate “I didn’t say that” quote which will come back to haunt him.
Um… is there a reason you couldn’t wait till the end of the debate before filing this? Feels a bit odd reading a reaction to only part of the debate, when the Web is now full of articles about the whole thing.
@Xoanan – Crikey has a deadline to get the email together ready to send to subscribers at (around?) 12.30pm AEST each weekday. The debate finished after that time (it ran over time).
Where can I get some of whatever Trump’s on – and is it covered by Obamacare?