We may despise the deregulatory excess of the Keating era. We can never rue the excess of the Keating mouth. “I want to do you slowly” or “the honourable gentleman’s hair, like his intellect, will recede into darkness” are the sorts of things he said to politicians. This talkback in 1992 — with brute sincerity, Keating urges voters to acknowledge their racist flaws — is the sort of thing he regularly did. He was, and remains, comically frank. You could even call him an exception. But he was an exception made possible by an age — an age whose end was recorded and broadcast last night on Four Corners.
You may have taken the good decision not to watch as Sarah Ferguson put public political candour to its final death. You may have avoided Q&A, whose first minutes were given over to Ferguson’s spouse to talk of the talk just aired. It is unlikely, however, that you were not made aware that former US presidential nominee Hillary Clinton had consented to a long-form talk with the ABC. Promotion by the national broadcaster was intense and so various, it got to zero-level with this “insiders” guide on just how one prepares for an interview with Hillary Clinton.
Here, we learn that Ferguson was very keen to (a) learn from Clinton how Those Russians so deviously managed to undo her record US$1.4 billion campaign and (b) have a brain scan while interviewing a big name like Clinton, because, “you are making so many decisions and there is a lot of crazy activity going on in a really short space of time and all while you’re appearing, obviously, completely calm”.
Personally, I’d prefer a psychological assessment of journalists to an fMRI. Not only are we yet to see if neuroscience image interpretation is anything more than phrenology, we are yet to answer why, why, why a guy like Trump could win an election. And, yes, as Ferguson was as eager to indicate as her interview subject, Clinton won the popular vote. Still. Trump, Trump, persuaded more than 60 million persons that hot air was preferable to cool calculation.
This is a moment in history. We all know that the world’s most powerful liberal democracy is no longer so powerfully upheld by the faith of its citizens. We all know that Europe has been politically rewritten by a monetary policy many good economists railed against long before the first note was printed. We know that neoliberal — or market-friendly, if you prefer — policy has failed to the degree that even the IMF pretends not to like it, while enacting it anyhow. These are big questions and no longer the sort of thing that only macro-economic hobbyists or Socialist Alliance talk about. These are questions posed by our mortgage repayments, our diminished access to social service and the arguments we have about politics on Facebook every day.
This is history. Ferguson had an enviable responsibility to document it. She says in the piece about the very photogenic shape of her brain that she read a lot to prepare for this interview. Where was the reading about this great historical shift so many of us feel? There are plenty of books that attempt, and sometimes succeed, to draw us a picture of how political and economic failure so often coincide. There are plenty of books that shed historical light on the political use of racism. Ferguson had an enviable responsibility, and a great chance to read widely. Really, it seemed that she had largely read Clinton’s book.
[Razer: Clinton’s book proves she is a compassionate, deeply delusional person]
There is no need for anyone to read Clinton’s book. Well, not unless one is interested in campaign trail exercise routines and healthy low-carb snacks. If you must get a sense of it, read the review by Sam Kriss or that by Thomas Frank. Kriss writes, “This not how a 69-year-old woman writes. It’s an imitation of how some of her fans write, a sterile, chatty facsimile of a first-person blog.” Frank is frank when he says that Clinton blames everyone but herself.
This is what we see on Four Corners: a big and uncritical book plug, informed by blind consensus and no other text at all. We even have the false candour so exactly described by Kriss. Ferguson is complicit in building the “real” Hillary and says, “I’ve been covering Hillary Clinton since the mid-’90s in Washington. But the woman I met recently in New York took me by surprise. She is angrier and less filtered than the consummate politician we’re used to seeing.”
Setting aside that even Clinton’s fans find her political speech more constipated than consummate, this is no more “real” than the fake news Clinton decries.
“As you’ll see in her interview, she’s not holding back.”
Well, that may be kind of true. Clinton may be holding forth in her delusion that it was the Russians, Julian Assange and misogyny that led to her defeat. She may truly believe that she was robbed, and probably believes, as so many members of the political class do, that what voters crave is a professed “expert”. A person “qualified” to keep driving the nation in the direction so inimical to so many pay packets.
But Ferguson is not required to believe this malarkey as well.
There was no meaningful interrogation of a politician who has long supported market-friendly policy. In fact, Ferguson appears to agree with Clinton that she was a brave warrior against the global primacy of finance. The problem was, you see, that voters were not, in this fake news era where people are idiots etc, ready to listen to her totally great plans.
Clinton has called the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a proposal that voters see as consonant with more job loss, a “gold standard” as recently as 2012. You’d think Ferguson might have mentioned this, given the comment was recorded by the ABC. You’d think she might have mentioned that Clinton’s chosen running mate was in favour of the TPP days before his appointment. You’d think she might have mentioned the US problem of underemployment, the rapid disappearance of the middle class or even, as might be very pertinent to an Australian audience, the way in which racist fears are exploited for political gain.
Nah. The Russians did it. Or, they employed Julian Assange to do it. Not that there was anything in those WikiLeaks dumps, like, say, a speech to Goldman Sachs that said she held both a “public and private” position on economic policy: the real one for the bankers; the fake one for the voters.
Sure, Comey, who was discussed, did a bit of it. But the problem here is that I do not believe Ferguson did her job. And if well-paid journalists on a publicly funded broadcaster whose editorial policy clearly demands fairness cannot do their job half as well as even John Laws could back in 1992 with Keating, there will be no more political candour. No more politicians who, however offensive their policy, at least take the trouble to describe it, rather than screaming at The Russians.
I’ve been thinking a lot about a joke Tad Tietze made recently WRT Clinton’s recent media outings:
“Seeing Clinton in action lately I realise what a terrible candidate Trump was to almost lose the election to her.”
I have several feminist relatives who seriously believe some of this. They do not like me saying misogynism was only one part. l consider Assange to be a scumbag these days, for many reasons. He is, like Trump, a spoiled narcissistic prat. However, the main reason for Clinton’s loss to me seems her ultimate betrayal of the theoretical Democrat heartland and a similar effort from the party machine. Trump talked about things that made the lost people feel somebody cared, though he doesn’t. Hilary abused the same people. Were I a citizen of the US I would have voted for Clinton, but only because she was not Trump.
So you think the vicious Trump, son of a real estate crook, billionaire and war criminal is the same as Assange, son of a quite poor single mum, smart exposer of war crimes by the nation that keeps him in a dungeon for no reason are the same. I can only conclude you have no more IQ than a rock.
Agreed. However, has there ever been an interview conducted by an Australian with a prominent American that didn’t tip-toe on eggshells (which is why I didn’t bother to watch it)? Maybe Norman Gunston, but he almost copped a punch in the head…
Gunston interviewing Trump would have some potential.
Hell yeah, I’d pay to see that!
Brilliant
I can certainly understand Assange’s animosity towards Clinton, and the whole US economic/military machine, and long years needlessly holed up in the embassy might also add something to his bitter demeanour, but in a truth contest between any senior US politician or bureaucrat and Wikileaks, I will put my faith in Wikileaks.
I hope Assange keeps up the good work revealing stuff the US legal criminals would rather keep secret.
Cosigned.
I am positive he is not the sort of chap I would like to be friends with. I am equally sure that this doesn’t matter one bit.
I am positive Assange is just the sort of person I would like to be friends with, I have been rebelling about the frigging establishment since I was kicked out of Sunday school by the methos. when I was 6 years old, when I gave most of my clothes to the poorest family in town at 12 and suffered 6 yrs of sexual abuse and violence by a vicious father while a vicious mother laughed. Give it a rest about whether or not you would like to be friends with Assange, he’s a far better human being than most of the fucking world.
Ma-Shep. Take a breath, my comrade.
The point I am making is that we need not approve of individuals.
I would also say that a possible hurdle to friendship between you and Mr Assange may be the fact that he does hold some very strange views about women. (He asserts they have limited mathematical ability due to biology, for example.)
Even if he does believe some odd things, I don’t mind. It doesn’t matter. What matters is WikiLeaks and his commitment to it.
We don’t say that something is right because of the person doing it, just as we don’t say that something is wrong for the same reason.
I believe your anger at me is misplaced here.
I agree entirely Leon. We should have heard about the corrupt millions paid to Clinton by the Saudis. How does that compare to the Russians using Facebook & Google adverts? Clinton kept Assange in illegal detention (Refer to UN finding) and he rightly hates her for that. Trump continues to do that.
Long live Julian Assange.
The interview. and this article/ subsequent comments illustrate the difference between old school quality journalism and social media driven journalism, now unfortunately overwhelming us. The latter (SMDJ) makes no attempt to be objective/ impartial, or offer alternative view point, riven with personal biases and .. bitchiness (or is that term too sexist?).
Ferguson’s haughty style irritates a little sometimes, but she has still done some bloody good stuff. The Clinton interview would be expected to follow script, and it is improbable that the ABC would have got the gig otherwise.
More concerning however that Assange is portrayed by some as folk hero, yet his position affords him a lot of power, that should also carry some responsibility. A lot of evidence now that WL/JA do not attempt to act completely impartially; JA has expressed detest for Clinton publicly several times now, so his response also came as no surprise – more petulant than impartial.
While there is much I detest about mainstream media, can’t accept that hyena like SDMJ is going to be a better alternative, and there are many examples in human history where pack feeding frenzy has taken us to a very bad place.
Helen Razer is harsher on Ferguson with Clinton than I think justified. Ferguson is in my view the best of a rapidly diminishing bunch of journalists capable of high performance interviewing. The session with Hillary Clinton was revealing and held my interest more intensely than most things one gets to see these days. It gave a close up picture of Hillary as she is, including some of the flaws; and it showed her mind at work; I have not seen anything like it with he possible exception of the Princess Diana interview. Razer is right in her reproach that questions might have been directed about aspects of the inequality agenda that were not adequately addressed in Clinton’s campaign when contrasted with those of both Trump and Sanders; there are many searching forensic questions that might be directed at Hillary if she is captive audience but Ferguson’s interview was founded upon a good understanding of Hillary’s campaign story. Ferguson was well-researched in that regard; making her a long way ahead of most of the jocks who occupy current affairs sinecures these days. Nor was Ferguson servile as suggested by Razer; it was Clinton, not Ferguson who raised the 3 million majority in the popular vote; Ferguson was, she always is, consistently civil and measured, marshalling from her calm demeanour a capacity to ask searching questions that evoke responses without generating gotcha tensions.
Ferguson is normally pretty good. Not so here, in my view.
I have read the book, so I guess I’m at an advantage. I can see that the story of the book was the story of the interview. (The only bit left out was blaming Bernie, who is, according to Hillary, a fool who doesn’t cost his plans. Which may have had a little to do with the many economists she could afford to employ to write policy down on her enormous and incoherent website. But, hey. The US, the only nation in history to have achieved hegemon status while going very deeply into debt, could actually just print more money. Sanders is an MMT guy. His chief economist is Stephanie Kelton. While I have reservations about MMT, these are nothing compared to the evidence that the economic theory that Clinton loves, capitalism in balance without regulation etc., just does not work.)
That the question about the DNC’s work in elevating Trump as a nominee was not broached is pretty bad, also.
Maybe she forgot about that – many have. And it wasn’t in the book.
Ferguson is a vicious, stupid menace to journalism who leaves a trail of destruction of lives behind her over her three programs about non existent people smugglers using a war criminal as her source along with lying information peddled by the stupid AFP. She has caused thousands of refugees enormous harm and not one lazy journalist or anyone else dares to question her lies. I hate her style of journalism, it’s pure Murdoch gotchaism.
Is there anyone or anything that you don’t hate?
When was the last time you said/wrote something not unpleasant?
I agree with your comments, Paul.
Helen…the interview was about the campaign, which, as I understand it, is what Clinton’s book is about. The latter probably agreed to the interview on that basis.
One thing is for sure…Clinton could not possibly be any worse than Trump, who is a disaster waiting to happen.
As usual, Ferguson did a very good job…I’m happy I decided to watch this 4Corners episode. Am fed up with ‘journalist’s’ rude, arrogant approach to interviewees…while trying desperately for the ‘gotcha moment’.
BORING!!!
So what you are saying is that you are fine to watch a book promotion. And that the interview subject should get to set the terms of interview.