“It’s not goodies versus baddies – it’s baddies versus baddies.” There’s been so little of value uttered by Tony Abbott, let’s give the guy his due. Of the war in Syria, Australia’s then Opposition Leader said he’d prefer a political solution to a military one; that to offer military support to either “baddy” would be foolish.
PM Kevin Rudd countered, “the last time I used the term goodies and baddies … I was playing cowboys and Indians in the backyard,” Kevin might have done well not to scold others for childish language, having used the term “rat fuck” in the reportedly recent past.
Kev dismissed Abbott’s analysis as “simplistic” then called him a graduate of, “the John Wayne School of International Relations”. He may have borrowed this gag from the late Philip L. Geyelin, a Pulitzer Prize winner known for his critique of war. A nifty phrase, but wrongly applied to Abbott, that day, a non-interventionist. Rudd was wrong to mock any effort to explain the Syrian war — one by then inscrutable — as difficult to understand.
The thing is difficult to understand. This is not to suggest that Abbott ever understood it, but he did appoint a Foreign Minister who gave understanding a go. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop’s view has shifted a little in past days. But, as recently as last year, she’d said the “Assad must go” position was “taken by a number of allies of the United States, before a political solution could even be discussed. Australia was not of that view.”
Say what you like about Bishop, but she dared to publicly identify more than just a pair of “baddies”. For her, there may have been a third. Perhaps she’d paid attention to the botched invasion of Libya and knew the true “baddie”: small states made desperate and ungovernable by other, greater powers.
It feels unnatural to compare Bishop to UK Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn. But, find the echo of the minister’s aversion for military action in a speech delivered days after the Manchester Arena bombing; days before the UK election.
Corbyn said, “We will also change what we do abroad. Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home.”
Press response was vicious. Political response, even that of UK Labour, was incredulous. The response of voters? Polls swung immediately to Corbyn when he named intervention itself the “baddie”. An ailing Labour Party received its second biggest boost in history: a vote share increase bettered only in 1945.
This worked. Conflict, war, or any multipolar muck-up just doesn’t play in the West as it once did. No matter how close its horrific image — and such images do not always faithfully depict Syria — there’s an intolerance emerging for conflicts outside the of the political and media classes. We’ve not become a hemisphere of doves, suddenly sensitive to the suffering of others. We do hear terms like Humanitarian Intervention or Responsibility to Protect as they are, though. Terms used by technocrats to conceal the reality of their terror.
War and warlike acts no longer hold the power to unite the many in Western nations. War is for the powerful. Just 28% of Britons surveyed this week by The Independent supported UK airstrikes in retaliation for the alleged chemical attack in Douma; and 61% of US respondents to a Pew poll did not believe the President had a clear plan for Syria. (But 58% did uphold their nation’s traditional fondness for bombing things.)
War no longer feels like our business in the West. There’s a maligned anti-war minority who make it their business. They’ll mention the timing of Saturday’s airstrike, which occurred hours before the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was due to make its assessment of the alleged weapons facility. But, to decry intervention without evidence — the best available since the attack is based on photographs and video testimony examined by French intelligence services — is to be a “baddie”.
Such people may be able to identify “baddies”. Like Tony Abbott, I can’t. I’m unconvinced that the US, a fading imperial power, is the sole baddie. I’m unpersuaded that Putin is the malevolent cheat from Whacky Races, even if I am suspicious he has infected formerly sober commentators with a neurotoxin that causes them to shout, “RUSSIA”.
Iran? I have no opinion refined enough to share. Saudi Arabia. Clearly, a place run by shits. Ditto, Israel. As for the accidental heir to the Syrian Arab Republic? Seems unpleasant. Then again, I have my doubts about those White Helmets — no group described so uncritically in so many publications as selfless, humble bakers is to be truly trusted as good.
Syria is not merely baddies versus baddies, but a horrifying locus in which even allies clash. Power enacts terror in that nation to reassert power elsewhere. A dozen foreign policies rob a single territory of life. This is not a war. It is the horrific detachment of all leaders from all their people. This is death by and for the powerful. We can have mercy for the many powerful enemies of the Syrian people no more than we might predict the effects of their multiple collisions.
‘Kev dismissed Abbott’s analysis as “simplistic” then called him a graduate of, “the John Wayne School of International Relations”. ‘ I wonder where Kev’s been, that he’s missed all that about “ruthless regimes”, “brutal dictators” and “axis of evil”, not to mention “humanitarian intervention”.
From where I’m sitting, the John Wayne School of International Relations has been the only game in town for my entire 53 years. The swing to Corbyn shows the Brits are waking up. I hope Australians are too.
Thanks for this piece, Helen.
So, the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia are baddies.
You’re unconvinced Russia is a baddie, have no opinion on Iran and concede Assad might be a baddie, but look, over there, those White Helmets must be too good to be true.
They certainly are too good to be true, ‘snowball.
Click on the link in a comment below, the one with the report by Robert Fisk (from underground!) at The Independent, and see what you reckon.
Wow, Snowball! You got all that from my comment, despite the fact I didn’t mention any countries at all? Strawman, much?
But here. I’ll try and clear it up for you. I don’t believe in goodies and baddies. I don’t believe in Objective Morality or Absolute Good and Evil, either: of all the things monotheism gave us, that’s the worst, because it encourages belief in goodies and baddies. I don’t believe war is a humanitarian intervention, I think it’s just war and I don’t like war. I don’t approve of it. And wrapping it in a pretty pink humanitarian intervention bow makes me dislike it even more. It’s dangerous, you see. It cons people into supporting the insupportable.
I do, however, believe in the power of propaganda narratives, and you demonstrated why.
My response was intended for Helen, and I managed to get it in the wrong thread. Sorry about that.
Some Orwellian offspring from Animal Farm escaped to Brave New World?
Or the Isle of Dr Moreau?
I said I was not persuaded that Putin was the cartoon villain depicted. Think I was pretty clear that all these powers are a bunch of arse. Last par clearly says they’re all detached killers for which we can have no mercy.
Honestly. Every time one mentions Russia, even in a very negative way, there will always be a response that demands “you were not awful enough”.
Same thing happens with Trump.
At some point, one runs out of adjectives to describe all the foreign policy evil.
As for Iran. I tried to be honest. The situation there is currently beyond my ken. I know the nation is being urged into alliance with the enemies of Israel, Saudi and the US. I don’t know enough about its politics or capabilities to say much more than that.
The point here is to describe only the concatenation of several different foreign policies all playing out in one territory.
The swing to Corbyn is less about wars and more about a decade plus of austerity, zero hours contracts etc while the rich get richer
Of course, I agree. Absolutely. Corbyn is one of several Western leftists achieving great support, media critique notwithstanding. But the poll spike was immediate and is documented.
Also, everyday people may have a sense that war might be a bit expensive. That the devotion to US foreign policy might be a bit like the attachment to the EU: bad for the people. Sort of anti-war nationalism.
Let’s not underestimate the fear Britons would have had after the bombing, either.
Of course, I agree. Corbyn has formed the largest and youngest political party in Europe for reasons other than this speech. But this speech, which happened just before the election, did help the numbers. I think to discount the growing intolerance many people in the West have for war (for a range of reasons) would be wrong. Like everything big in life (and in war) it’s not just down to one thing, is it?
“Just 28% of Britons surveyed this week by The Independent supported UK airstrikes in retaliation for the alleged chemical attack in Douma”
One wonders what might happen to the 28% if The Independent redid that poll, after asking their readers to read a report they published in the last 24 hours, a report from a widely respected journalist who has made the ME his workplace for many a long year:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
And, H, if you’d like to pop over to an article by your colleague Mr Keane, on the same subject, yesterday, you’ll find the moderators have finished moderating a comment I left.
The comment includes a link to an OPCW report, published a month ago, on inspections carried out last year, on various suspected Syrian CW facilities. The facilities included the ‘research centre’ bombed a few days ago, because it IS a CW facility.
The OPCW report suggests otherwise, reporting a big tick for Syria across the board.
You’ll also find a link to a report on that very same facility. That report comes from CBS, with a chap from CBS being one of 3 international journalists who were provided with a tour of that ‘research facility’ AFTER it was bombed.
When great unravelings get rolling, it’s tough to keep up.
Best to stay close.
Just read your comment on BK’s article. Definitely wasn’t there yesterday or last night, David. BK’s article may have incensed me a little less if it had been. I still don’t know if BK wants us to “intervene” more or less or what, but I’m off topic. Thanks for the link to the Fisk article, too. I’d read it, but clearly others haven’t.
Cottoned on to the BZ Toxin found by the Swiss lab in the Skriplas’ samples Porton Down supplied to the OPCW, Charlie?
This is the best I’ve read on the matter;
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/where-the-skripals-buzzed-novi-shocked-or-neither-may-has-some-splaining-to-do.html
Very much a part of the great unravelling.
Missed that one and the link’s down.
The Russians got ’em?
Not quite – ‘site maintenance’ noted earlier today.
They’ll be back.
They’ being a group of very disenchanted former ‘official’ operatives.
Thanks for the link. Such an enlightening story and so unlike all the other commentary-hearsay “news” about on this subject. This and HR’s sanity restoring piece above deserve much much more attention.
City, if anyone wants to understand how the Amerikan-Anglo empire has and does roll, I recommend 2 journalists/authors, 1 deceased Australian, and 1 living Amerikan.
The deceased Australian is Wilfred Burchett;
Burchett revived – https://www.counterpunch.org/search-results/?cx=000357264939014560440%3Aicshsy4bfu0&ie=UTF-8&q=vietnam+will+win
His magnificent account serialised.
The surviving Amerikan – http://www.douglasvalentine.com/
What Valentine has done is extraordinary – he ‘conned’ the masters of the CIA’s terrorism campaign in Vietnam to explain exactly how they’d gone about it, and he’s gone on from there.
He even got William Colby – https://www.google.com.au/search?q=douglas+valentine+william+colby&oq=douglas+valentine+william+colby&aqs=chrome..69i57.14221j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Mind you, he couldn’t publish the full factual account for years (until relatively recently), so dressed it up as quasi fiction.
A very honest and thought provoking piece, HR. If only all commentators could take pause and consider that, perhaps, nobody has a clue what is going on. And even more relevant, that nobody understands how to fix the mess that is the Middle East. Maybe it is just unfixable?
The danger is that when major powers get involved in civil conflicts things generally drop into new unfathomable depths. It reminds me of when Iraq and Iran were at war – who was the baddie in that conflict?
Non interference would be favourite.
I guess there’s a real life need for paid commentators to Have an Opinion. Which is just so impossible when it comes to some of the most complex foreign policy in the world. I mean, really, atm, the most complex. I remember in preparing for Iraq 2: The Reboot, Obama deployed something like 300 international relations scholars to Baghdad. Most of them were probably liberal interventionists, so likely to deliver similar solutions to a range of localised conflicts. But, the point is, as you have it: how do everyday people or even slightly educated commentators a la me claim to have a clue when some of the best and/or most powerful minds in IR don’t?
Once a month or so, I try to read a heap of stuff on Syria (and try to read scholars from different schools; the old-fashioned Realists can be useful sometimes: for all their intolerance of culture, they do have something to say). And, you know, I mostly come up with: gee I know nothing.
This used to embarrass me. Now, I am glad that I can identify my ignorance. It’s sort of the only way to learn or analyse.
Hats off to you Mz Razer, I’m not always persuaded by your writings but on this occasion you’ve produced one of the most perceptive (and most sane) assessments I’ve read. Five stars!
TY,P!
Syria is an independent, secular state whose (admittedly hardline) president is doing his best to defeat armed islamist rebels, egged on by the US, zionist Israel and other western countries. The propaganda war in this conflict is reminiscent of World War One.