The federal government is turning to purely political solutions to deal with COVID.
That’s hardly surprising. This is, after all, a government led by a failed marketer. But the situation has been exacerbated by the government’s recent poll slump (now trailing Labor by 2% and worsening) coupled with the success of Queensland and WA’s highly protectionist policy frameworks.
In March, as Australia’s “super-fast” vaccine rollout was starting, Scott Morrison claimed that it was the government’s “hope and expectation” that Australia was on track to open international borders by October when the adult population had been vaccinated. This position was apparently dumped by doorstop last week, as Health Minister Greg Hunt followed the Mark McGowan playbook.
“Vaccination alone is no guarantee that you can open up,” Hunt said. “If the whole country were vaccinated, you couldn’t just open the borders … We still have to look at a series of different factors: transmission, longevity [of vaccine protection] and the global impact — and those are factors which the world is learning about.”
Morrison then flipped the narrative once again. On Friday he claimed that vaccinated Australians could travel for certain purposes like business or funerals and be subject to home quarantine (rather than hotels).
He then flipped yet again yesterday claiming, “Australia is in no hurry to open those borders [and] I will not be putting at risk the way we are living in this country, which is so different to the rest of the world today”.
This inconsistent series of serious policy settings shows just how the federal government has utterly lost control of the narrative. As Kishor Napier-Raman wrote last week, our shut borders have tragic real-life consequences. There are tens of thousands of Australians stuck in purgatory overseas, many without employment, some even suicidal. Meanwhile, millions of Australian businesses in the tertiary and tourism sectors are potentially without billions of dollars of income while borders remain firmly shut.
Almost no one would currently support wholesale border opening before some a degree of vaccination occurs (especially amongst the “at risk”), but the federal and state governments have to make a call as to the level of vaccination required to re-engage us with the rest of the world.
Eradicating COVID-19 from Australia, let alone the world, is practically impossible. But that itself isn’t highly relevant. After all, we haven’t eradicated influenza which can kill around 1000 Australians annually. In fact, the world never really eradicates anything (smallpox aside).
Israel, the UK and the UAE are providing real-life benchmarks as to the efficacy of vaccination. Around 53% of Israel’s population have been fully vaccinated (and a further 830,000 have recovered from COVID), so their level of immunity is believed to be around 68%. Despite largely opening up internally (albeit not to tourists), cases in Israel continue to plummet (from 8500 per day to only 150 per day now). Deaths, which have dropped to five per day, now appear similar to Israel’s winter flu levels.
The UAE is perhaps an even better benchmark. The Emirates, with a population of almost 10 million, is still reporting around 2000 infections daily (maintaining some distancing rules, like limiting private gatherings to 10) but has vaccinated almost half the population. Its reported daily COVID-related deaths are around three per day.
The UK has provided 32 million first vaccinations and 9 million second doses (focusing on people aged 50 plus). Despite the widespread acclaim at the speed of the rollout, the UK has only fully vaccinated around 13% of the population. But showing how discerning a killer COVID is, deaths have plummeted from 1200 to 26 per day (which would average to 9490 a year). Flu deaths in England vary widely from year to year, but have gone as high as 28,330 in recent years.
Every year, around 160,000 Australians die of something. The median age of a COVID fatality is 83. If the UK is any guide, once Australians aged over 60 have been fully vaccinated, the risk of death likely drops below influenza levels (around 1000 per year) — a risk we have had no issue accepting.
Scott Morrison and Greg Hunt (along with the state premiers) need to clearly and publicly state how many annual deaths Australia will accept from COVID-19 and therefore, what specific proportion of the population needs to be fully vaccinated before we can start allowing citizens, students and tourists to return. Morrison’s prediction last week of 1000 weekly cases might even be acceptable to most, if that means 500-1000 annual COVID deaths (which is the UAE’s current case fatality rate).
The Australian population wants, and the business sector needs, basic transparency honesty from our elected officials. Sadly, this is an unusual concept for most of them.
At what point should Australia consider opening its borders? Let us know your thoughts by writing to letters@crikey.com.au. Please include your full name to be considered for publication in Crikey‘s Your Say section
Deaths is a very poor metric to use for opening up – what are estimates of ongoing long term symptoms from more infections? Where is the financial support going to come from ? Fed govt track record not good on this (NDIS, DSP, Centrelink etc)
Yep, flu hangs around for 2 to 3 weeks, long Covid for large minority of people who get it can be 6 months plus.
Rubbish. I do know two people who “allegedly” tested positive for full blown covid and they recovered within 2.5 weeks. Just the same as the flu in general.Two years ago when the flu was doing the rounds it was taking some people 6 months to get over it. You got your figures around the wrong way.
Perhaps the question Schwab should be asking the PM is how many vaccine deaths and serious side effects are acceptable. Would that be zero, Adam?
A report last week showed that 50% have side effects, already 5 times more people in NSW alone have had side effects than ever tested positive for this non existent virus.
Another scary MSM meme –BS
In 2018 two of us were very ill with flu for six weeks. I nearly choked twice because I had no time to breathe between coughing fits. People die of flu you know!
Long covid is a joke, they keep claiming people are positive if they have a positive test and the tests are pointless, not to mention they claim anyone who has a positive test at some point and dies within 60 dies of covid. Seriously, if it ever existed it’s a cold
I see the Tinfoil Hat/Sovereign Citizen/ Anti-Vaxxer/Conspiracy Theorist/QAnon Nutbag brigade are back again. Please do everyone a favour and give it a rest!
The only tinfoil hat here is on your head. Ignorance and MSM daily mantra. The “Dunce’s” hat. Go and stand in the corner.
“MSM” – just one of the “cult” expressions along with “do your research” and others intended to intimidate those who disagree with said Nutbags. This is often accompanied by links to “corroborating” webshytes that proclaim “research” that purports to “prove” the “conspiracy” of COVID-19. I have far too many qualified medical professionals in my family to listen to the ravings of cult lunatics doing there rabid best to “convert” the non- believers. The best part about challenging the views of Nutbags is that you automatically become part of the conspiracy.
You have had some strange takes on COVID Adam.
Once we have vaccinated enough people such that R < 1 (such as in Israel) then we can open up the borders with confidence that we won’t have a new wave. However, once we get to that point we should probably wait another month or two until everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated so no one dies unnecessarily.
If R > 1 then you won’t be able to control it at 1000 or 2000 cases a day, it will just keep exploding. Of course you could impose a partial lockdown to artificially reduce R < 1 for a lower rate of vaccination, but I can’t see much appetite for that.
Until that point the government should be investing in scalable quarantine facilities away from major centres like Howard Springs and chartering flights to get all stranded citizens back home again (and for the next pandemic)
You forgot the article where he was slamming the government as being utter dummies because they were using lockdowns instead of mass usage of rapid covid tests that Dr. Adam Schwab MD assured us were 98% accurate.
Fast forward several months and it is as obvious now as it was then, that such tests in the real world are no more accurate than flipping a coin and guessing if someone has covid.
If we’d followed Adams views at any stage of covid, this country would be in the depths of the greatest health crisis it has ever seen.
There is no virus, what part of that don’t people get and .1% of the Australian population in 15 months having a fake positive for a fake test is not a health problem. Over 45,000 people dying of various cancers though is. 141,000 people died in Australia last year and people are still going on and on about so called covid as if they were dying in the streets here in the thousands.
Are you very proud of the fanclub you are feeding with this self serving trash Adam Schwab?
In your next article Adam, are you going to encourage your fanclub to storm parliament demanding luxury escapes?
There is no new virus, never has been, the tests are fakes and that is known around the world, I have posted this fact over and over, don’t you read. All this cowering and snivelling and shocking waste over nothing while millions of babies starve to death is monstrously stupid.
You have posted this nonsense over and over, but no matter how many times you post that covid doesn’t exist, you cannot turn this obvious delusion into a fact.
Nutbaggery again!
Oh dear, one of your own died from covid19 not so long ago.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/covid-denier-dies-after-hosting-two-huge-parties-home-000426982.html
On what basis are you claiming there is no virus, and for what discernible purpose have they buried 3 million bodies.
All those wicked or stupid scientists and medical experts wearing funny space suits just to fool you Marilyn.
Spot on Marilyn – they don’t want to know that what they’re scared off is the hype.
Another idiotic circular type of argument is implicit here.
Could it be, possibly, that point 3 contradicts point 2?
Marilyn, tune your PC into a search engine and type in ‘Brazil covid Manaus‘. Read a few articles to see what happens if your crazed president thinks there’s no virus, no problem. Not that Trump hadn’t already shown the way in that respect.
I see the Tinfoil Hat/Sovereign Citizen/ Anti-Vaxxer/Conspiracy Theorist/QAnon Nutbag brigade are back again. Please do everyone a favour and give it a rest!
Hahaha. Kitchen sink scientist.
“–and it is as obvious now as it was then, that such tests in the real world are no more accurate than flipping a coin and guessing if someone has covid.”
Yes & that’s what the MSM are calling “Cases” – -and it’s what you seem to be scared about in believing the MSM BS. There is an agenda going on but I’m sure you’ll stay oblivious to it – by choice & not intellect.
I see the Tinfoil Hat/Sovereign Citizen/ Anti-Vaxxer/Conspiracy Theorist/QAnon Nutbag brigade are back again. Please do everyone a favour and give it a rest!
That’s the third time you posted that. Your indoctrination keeps repeating.Stop reading the MSM broadsheets.
And I will do so until such time as the Nutbags get the message and stop spouting their BS. I, for one, have had enough of listening to this Nutbag shyte and the usual rabid attempts, like any cult, to convert others to their illegitimate viewpoint.
You’re just parroting MSM – total BS remarks
Gullible, moi?
You’ve proved over and over that you have nothing more intelligent than that to say – it’s MSM therefore BS
I say, ‘it’s James 1 – total BS remarks’
I recommend what I said to Marilyn, go and google (or whatever you prefer) ‘Brazil covid Manaus’.
And you are parroting nutjobs like Pete Evans, who denies the virus is any big deal on one hand, and tries to sell $15,000 pieces of junk to “cure” it.
“If R > 1 then you won’t be able to control it at 1000 or 2000 cases a day, it will just keep exploding.”
Total nonsense -what MSM site did you read that not proven statement? “Cases” is the most abused word
on nightly TV. It Doesn’t mean SICK people -it just means someone who has triggered their very very inaccurate tests. If your own BS meter hasn’t been triggered yet by the hype -there’s no hope for you.
I’m NOT saying let it rip Swedish style, but there are whole sections of society who are loosing everything they have because of lockdowns (which I support!) and i think there is a valid question here….At what point do we accept the risk of premature death from covid vs the other impacts of lockdowns and border closures.
There is nothing to let rip, but no wars have been stopped, no bombs have stopped, starvation has shockingly increased around the world and the average age of deaths globally is over 82 with many co morbidities, it’s now 4 in the USA alone, 3.6 in Italy.
Yes i agree that with the amount of money spent on covid we could have saved more lives by addressing other issues like poverty. Think of the damage being done to pacific island nations due loss of tourism etc.
….But your still coming across as an anti vax nutter.
“Practically impossible to eliminate COVID from Australia.”
Big problem with this one Adam. We have actually eliminated it. All the cases since the end of Victoria’s second wave have been leaks from quarantine, and if quarantine were done properly we would not have them either, and none of them have had transmission beyond the third or fourth generation. The actual sustained community transmission rate is now zero. Even the three new “community acquired cases” in NSW are transmissions within quarantine, and they’ve been detected before they have spread anywhere, so they shouldn’t result in any more cases. Caught and stopped at the second generation (assuming one individual in the family got it, and passed it on to the other two).
So it can be eliminated, and we know this because we’ve actually done it. The issue of should we have a proper quarantine system in dedicated facilities for all incoming passengers for a sustained period is a different argument.
It can be eliminated within one country. But to have countries sealed off from each other forever is just not practicable.
We have NZ!
“to have countries sealed off from each other forever…” Who has suggested that? We’ve just opened up to New Zealand and there’s already consideration being given to other countries. Singapore might be next, then such covid-contolled territories as Hong Kong and Taiwan, possibly Vietnam which has done much better even than we have, plus numerous small Pacific island countries. That’s not the whole world but it’s a start, achievable possibly within this calendar year.
There was and is no need to close up the world, all this western whinging and whining over nothing and squandering trillions from national economies while millions of babies are starving to death is grotesque. First thing, do not believe a single word in our media, it’s all been taken from a Gates, big pharma and Google funded web site without a single question ever asked by any of our lazy journalists.
I prefer to just not believe anything I read from tragically gullible people.
Yes & I’m ignoring your comments from now on. Totally idiotic.
I read the work of actual scientists and see the proof, not read the babble spread as propaganda by our stupid media.
That’s a relief then. Please list the actual scientists and the titles of their work and quote the proof you’ve seen to inform us uninformed folk. Thanks in advance.
Can’t see a problem with it myself. International holiday travel is hardly a pre-requisite for a fulfilled, or examined life.
Thats your opinion. i want to see my parents before they die.
So it can be eliminated, and we know this because we’ve actually done it. The issue of should we have a proper quarantine system in dedicated facilities for all incoming passengers for a sustained period is a different argument.
Total nonsense. We also have No flue ( Just another Covid) – Google it ! We’ve isolated ourselves from a nasty Flue by stopping immigation. BUT every year Hundreds in Australia have died from Flue -especially older people with other medical proplems in Nursing homes. Getb a grip & do some research.
fFu. Try spelling it correctly & your google searches might give you better information.
You’re right Penny — just a bit too fast.Flue is chimney related. My bad.
It’s happening now James, zero community transmission.
Flu, which is not a coronavirus, has never been eliminated here, so that explains continued community transmission.
Googled it. It’s not. See my longer comment above.
Please the word is flu or influenza not flue which chimneys have.
Your mental powers have disappeared up the flue, James. And several commenters have pointed out correctly that influenza is not a coronavirus; let it go.
There was nothing to eliminate and Victoria did not have an actual problem besides outsourcing the ”tests” to the Chinese things imported by Twiggy. They were so useless the rest of the world discarded them long before Andrews and Sutton used them. Honestly do any of you have any brains.
“The issue of should we have a proper quarantine system in dedicated facilities for all incoming passengers for a sustained period is a different argument.”
Are your “dedicated facilities” internment camps? if so they would require a lot of “Concentration.”
What is this? General comments from people who have been accommodated at Howard Springs quarantine facility are very favourable, better than stuffy hotel rooms. We just need several more of them.
Mass quarantine of healthy people is the most ridiculous thing of all. Why do we think or believe that people who are healthy when they leave a country get sick here.
All you need to know about this guy is that he is a director of crikeys parent company.
https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.private_media_pty_ltd.082855e4a8c19039d2a1f2e2576325f3.html#contact-anchor
It is utterly despicable that this is not disclosed on his articles.
We aren’t stupid crikey.
It is plain to see that Adam is given a full exemption from crikeys usual journalistic standards and handed a free platform to push his unqualified pseudo-science quackery in order to promote his own business interests.
Shameful stuff crikey.
It’s obvious that a large percenatge of the public are total brain washed & have no abilty to consider anything other than Govt propaganda. How stupid.
This entire peddling of fake vaccines when it’s easy to see the consequences all over the rest of the world has become a deranged mantra.
1 in a few hundred thousand blood clots, a batch of headaches and mild fever, which often occurs with flu vaccine.
Fixed it for you.
Add in Brazil, and, increasingly, India.
A friend of mine rang me today to tell me he’s been rung by a former neighbour (WA) to advise that his wife had died.
She had a vaccination jab last week on Thursday ( aged early 60’s & in good health). On Frid she was in ICU & on Sat she died.
If you are in good health you are being stupid to take a jab which has untested outcomes. When the Pharmacutical Company has been given a licence under experimental conditions & with NO liability to them – Your’e dicing with a totally unknown outcome.
I am immunosuppressed for Crohn’s disease, the one and only flu shot I ever had nearly killed me.
James, you are yet to put anything of substance here other than saying you are one of the tiny number of the enlightened, and links to dubious websites, most of them selling something that they happen to be able to provide. It’s hard to measure the level of gullibility you are displaying, while accusing everyone else of gullibility.
No international travel for you.
Ha ha – Joke of the day. Pot calling kettle black except that I have posted links & information that hopefully will be of interest to those curious enough to look.
On the other hand YOU have posted NOTHING of substance & have only mocked & sprouted MSM mantra. Oh & maybe you could enlighten which links are from “dubious” websites?
I’ll bet you cant ! Cause there aren’t any.
It appeared that there must be a reason why the editor was publishing Schwab despite his lack of scientific and medical authority and his poor research. Ironically the present article, the first one we can read knowing what Schwab’s relationship with Crikey actually is, (thanks Damien) is actually a bit better argued although he chooses to treat COVID as a flu, which it emphatically is not, and to ignore the widespread occurrence of disabling ‘Long COVID’ illness which doesn’t happen with the flu. And of course he denies the possibility of achieving what New Zealand, Australia, Vietnam and several other countries and territories in our region have actually achieved, a virtually COVID-free environment. But apart from that and apart from the questionable ethics of using Crikey as a platform you partially control without admitting the connection, this contribution is a touch better than average. I’d give it a C minus for presentation, D minus for evasion and misstatements.
I cannot see how on Earth crikeys non disclosure of Adam’s position as a director (and shareholder?) of crikeys controlling company is not a flagrant breach of their very own code of conduct?
https://uat.crikey.com.au/code-of-conduct/
“Do not allow personal interest, or any belief, commitment, payment, gift or benefit, to undermine your accuracy, fairness or independence. Journalists and contributors will disclose share holdings where relevant.”
I guess the crikey editorial staff have decided it isn’t ‘relevant’ to inform its readers that the guy who effectively hires and/or fires them… is being given seemingly endless opportunity to write articles which advocate for covid strategies which would benefit his personal business interests.
“Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism. Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain.”
Again, what kind on mental gymnastics are the crikey editorial staff doing to excuse the persistent cheerleading of their boss for covid strategies that solely result in an improvement in their bosses personal business interests?
Yes. I’m not the kind of person who cancels a subscription they’ve paid for but today’s tired and rather pointless Crikey isn’t the same publication I subscribed to many years ago. I don’t see much point in it now beyond the sometimes very good comments to some articles.
Parroting what you read/hear on MSM is not scientific & shows a lack of interst in facts. For astart ALL Flues are of Covid origin. Fact check that . With regards to so called long Covid -check out this & be informed:
https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/22/we-need-to-start-thinking-more-critically-speaking-cautiously-long-covid/
Snip:
So it’s highly probable that some or many long-haulers who were never diagnosed using PCR testing in the acute phase and who also have negative antibody tests are “true negatives.”Why does this matter?
For one thing, if some proportion of long Covid patients were never infected with SARS-COV-2, it shows that it’s possible for anyone to misattribute chronic symptoms to this virus. That’s not particularly surprising, since the symptoms of acute SARS-CoV-2 are often not unique, and can be caused by other respiratory infections. But what’s more notable is that the late-December survey also found virtually no difference in the long-haul symptom burden between those with and without antibody evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (or any positive test), which undercuts the likelihood of a causative role for SARS-CoV-2 as the predominant driver of chronic symptoms in that cohort.
Flu is not a coronavirus. Common cold is. Your most basic of statements is wrong.
SO – – this is just a bad Cold then ?
Right ?
Wrong, coronaviruses cause about 25% of all colds and between 10-15% of flus.
“For astart ALL Flues are of Covid origin. Fact check that…” I did. They’re not. COVID, as we call it for short, is caused by a coronavirus, as are colds but not influenza. COVID-19 isn’t a cold and it certainly isn’t influenza although all three of these illnesses are spread in much the same way.
SO – – this is just a bad Cold then ?
Right ?
Wrong. And a deliberately offensive remark considering many of us know people who have died or suffered severe illness with COVID.
Thanks for the link to the Gaffney article. In Australia long COVID is generally associated with patients who were diagnosed with COVID after novel coronavirus testing but remained ill for a long time with a fairly consistent group of symptoms. Gaffney admits that antibodies can fade with time and that testing for them is an inexact science but he’s probably right that one could have symptoms without having had COVID, if in the first place you weren’t ever positive for the novel coronavirus. Is that the case with any long COVID patients? He doesn’t say so, preferring to test for antibodies after the fact.
Covid is not a thing, in the USA according to the CDC anyone with a sniffle is called covid, the tests diagnose nothing and never have – the only thing around is a common as muck corona virus which is always around. This whole con job is based on fake tests for a fake virus invented on a computer.
And all of a sudden the common cold is fatal. Wow, what a coincidence.
No one is dying from anything called covid, god you people are thick. If SARS2 has never been isolated and even the FDA say there is nothing to prove it causes any symptoms of anything they are not getting anything. People are dying of old age as they always do.
Looks as if Facebook and Twitter are stricter than Crikey.
Yes !
When our leaders step forward to pronounce on Covid, we see two speakers. One is a politician, somebody that we will routinely sack when one person dies from some apparent failure of their administration. The other is a scientist, whom we need to speak in probabilities of many deaths, perhaps hundreds per million.
It seems that we must accept that Covid will take out more people than other influenza, which is about 40 deaths per million per year. The road toll is similar, but used to be much worse, evoking only the occasional tut-tut. In the Covid case, we will probably start muttering apologetic comments such as it’s only old people, etc. We might be a bit more reactive if the next pandemic attacks the young instead.
Why trust either so called scientists or pollies, they are all lying to us. All parotting the same old lies because any dissent is silenced.
Yes, everyone is lying to us, including you. Who to believe?
For someone who’s dissenting and, presumably, being silenced, you sure MAKE A LOT OF NOISE.
Fair comment except that IF we concentrated on protect Older people in Nursing homes & let it rip for herd immunity we’d be doing the right thing. The survival rate is extremely high & as stated in this article average age of death is well over 80.
NO need to shut down whole economies like Govt has done – – so many small businesses will never recover. Worth remembering that Govt will never back down -they will double up to achieve their aim.