Well it looks like we’re going to be talking about Palestine/Israel for a while yet irrespective of today’s ceasefire.
The struggle involves 14 million people, the population of three Chinese cities you’ve never heard of, and the numbers of those suffering and oppressed in Xinjiang, yet we are going to go round and round again on what looks like an endless dilemma.
Yesterday’s pronouncement in these pages from on high in the US foreign policy establishment showed why. Despite its ever closer direct relations with the Saudis and other Arab states, Israel remains the US base in the region — and too important to let any sort of daylight come between them.
Even the sudden flare-up of the Sheikh Jarrah issue had a suspicious timing, beyond its domestic political uses. Was the hard policing of Arab protesters, the encouragement of settlers and radicals, designed to create a situation which would test not Palestine’s President Mahmoud Abbas but US President Joe Biden?
There are few more loyal Zionists in the US establishment than Biden, for several decades now. And Donald Trump gave pretty clear indication that he has a conventional Noo York anti-Semitism, telling the Israeli American Council: “You’re brutal killers, not nice people at all.” But it’s the sort of thuggish anti-Semitism Bibi Netanyahu and others would much prefer to deal with: the strongman who admires Israeli ruthlessness.
That keeping Israel in business is vital to US interests goes without saying. Essential to that is the persistent spruiking of a two-state solution, as Jonathan Tepperman demonstrated in his article yesterday. This has become a cause similar to that of Hapsburg restoration in Europe: the ground conditions that created the possibility of such a solution have disappeared, but the great cause marches on.
There was the possibility of a two-state solution once — certainly in, say, 1980, and maybe into the late 1990s. But it began disappearing with the “settlement” programs of the 1980s, which destroyed the possibility of contiguous territory on the West Bank. This dictated that every deal offered throughout the ’80s and ’90s, though “better” on paper, was worse on the ground. Thus was created the myth that former PLO leader Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians were rejecting anything, no matter how good; that Arafat never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
But every deal offered the Palestinians had conditions that no actual independent state would accept. Israel would maintain military roads across the West Bank, control of upstream natural water sources would not be shared, the border with Jordan wouldn’t be wholly Palestine’s and so on. Liberal Zionists in the West have a blind spot with regard to how “good” this deal was. Sure it was better than the Bantustan system currently running, but it was still a sort of dominion statelet, a sort of Palestinian Mandate II. Even if Arafat had accepted it, Fatah would have split in two over it, and the struggle would have continued.
What followed was the completion of the plan that Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir and others had put in place in the early ’80s — the completion of part of the plan of Jabotinsky’s “Revisionist” Zionism of the 1920s, in which Israel would take both sides of the Jordan, and either expel the Arabs or leave them as a permanent minority. Begin and Shamir were both former terrorists, and Shamir had been a Zionist fascist in the ’40s, running the Lehi (aka the Stern Gang), who had attempted to make a deal with Nazi Germany to obtain weapons to fight the British during World War II. These were the seeds of the strongman policy today.
The flood of “settlers” in the 2000s came from three sources: American fundamentalist Jews fleeing not pogroms in Cleveland, but the anomie of American life; East Europeans, some of whom who managed to find a Jewish great-grandmother they had previously hidden and were let in on a nod and a wink; Israeli Jews made poor by the country’s neoliberalisation, and eager for affordable housing (anything stolen is very affordable).
The fusion of the older policy with the newer conditions have made the number and spread of settlements so large so as to destroy the West Bank as a unit. There is no chance of removing them as there was in Gaza. Centre-right-wing parties would never do it, and if whatever Left coalition is current today tried it would be out of power. Sections of the military would mutiny against any order, and Israel would inch closer to some form of post-democratic political form (it has already inched someway towards that).
So it’s not the one-state solution that is the undergraduate fantasy; it’s the two-state solution that has become the dream.
It has to be undergirded by sheer propaganda like the notion that Israel’s creation can be equated with the struggle for “national self-determination” of the colonised such as India and Ireland. No, Israel is the coloniser. The fact that this was done by private means doesn’t mean anything. It is in good (East India) company on that.
That said, I can see how Zionists get the shits with the rest of the world for advancing a one-state secular solution as a necessary ethical move. A lot of this is from followers of Trotsky and is a prime example of “Quaker-pacifist babble about human rights” to quote, er, Trotsky. If a two-state solution were geographically viable, the issue would be one for the peoples of the region. But it is now largely fictional, has its uses, and they have to be pointed out.
Thus the situation is one of multiple tragic and ironic moments. The revisionist Zionist notion that the Arabs would melt away had always depended on a European chauvinist view of colonised peoples, but the oppression created a unity in the oppressed, and the emergence of a distinct people. The “settlement” of a hazardous and hostile West Bank had relied on a nascent Jewish identity politics, which helped reshape an opponent in ways that made the settlers’ mission impossible to succeed.
That then fed back into “green line” Israel, so that a state that had once tried to become secular and “low key” has become officially nationalist, chauvinist, in a way that can only feed the possibility of a post-democratic order, as its parties fracture further.
Diaspora Zionists have to make some hard choices. There is now no way to have a thing called Israel that is not militarised, iron-walled, and built on the 1930s Zionist cult of the “New Jew”, the oppressed and ghettoised European who, throwing off their shackles, would become the barrel-chested nation builder, as assertive and ruthless as the enemies they had suffered under.
The one-state solution has already occurred. It’s just a particularly terrible specific one at the moment. But barring miracles or abject surrender, the two-state solution is dead. It is kept alive only by the distorted logic of presenting Arabs and Jews as competing indigenous, the fundamental, wilful error on which the US establishment’s official position depends.
Looks like we’re going to talk about Palestine/Israel for a while yet.
Well, yes, Guy. Quoting Trotsky on “…human rights …babble” is cute polemics against the “Trotskyist” position that you mention but a secular single state or a two state solution are the only ones consistent with human rights. Settlement of Jews in Israel date’s back about 150 years, so while the Jewish population is no more “indigenous” than the settler population in Australia, it is too late to think that undoing the Palestinians Nakbar by expelling Jews would be any more just than the Israeli State’s clear plan to have only Palestinians who will submit to an Apartheid state or expel all those who will not. You are right, Guy, about the immediate bleak future in Palestine/Israel and the quite possible emergence of a fascist state. But then we just have to accept, however much we regret it, that a just solution consistent with human rights can only be the eventual outcome, whether it be a one secular state or two equal states solution, with guarantees for each.
Yes, Ian, Guy’s Trotskyist gibe was bizarre – the sort of mindless crap we expect from the MSM, not someone with Guy’s intellect. But as Guy accurately says, the two-state solution is now impossible, so that leaves the secular one-state solution with equal rights for Jews, Muslims and Christians as the only solution remaining.
This in turn means the destruction of the ethno-chauvinist, colonial settler state of Israel. But it doesn’t mean driving the Jews into the sea, no more than destroying the Nazi state of Germany meant killing all Germans or destroying the apartheid state of South Africa meant driving all the whites into the sea.
I made these points in a post four hours ago, but the pathetic Crikey bot refuses to let them through.
Yes, Ian, Guy’s Trotskyist gibe was bizarre – the sort of mindless crap we expect from the MSM, not someone with Guy’s intellect. But as Guy accurately says, the two-state solution is now impossible, so that leaves the secular one-state solution with equal rights for Jews, Muslims and Christians as the only solution remaining.
I have tried to make this and other points, but the pathetic Crikey bot refuses to let them through. Hopefully, they’ll appear tomorrow (when it’s too late).
yr being a little sensitive on that – im saying that taking an abstract human rights position on a 1-state solution, is different to a realpolitik one. If a 2-state solution was viable, then its adoption or rejection wld be up to the people of those areas. It’s not viable, which makes a 1-state solution necessary, arising from facts, not principles
Sorry, Guy, but you’re the one being a little too cute on this occasion. Separating principle from facts-on-the-ground realpolitik comes straight out of Netanyahu’s playbook, as it did for apartheid South Africa, pre-bellum southern USA, Hitler’s Third Reich, etc. Separating them and applying them inconsistently is standard practice for aggressors, bullies and their media apologists, of which you are usually not one.
None so revisionist as old trots.
Is there, Grundle?
One secular state, with equal rights for all, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or minority status, seems like the only viable outcome, long-term.
Indeed, Woopwoop, and it will only happen with a concerted international BDS campaign – a point I made four hours ago in a post that the Crikey bot refuses to let through – reminiscent of the pathetic criminalising of any advocacy for a BDS campaign against apartheid South Africa back in the 70’s. Crikey is becoming pathetic.
Crikey was silent until day 5 ish of the latest crisis
curious . . .
Good point. Green Left Weekly is much better value on international issues (and political economy issues).
Define “viable” in a region where religion, ethnicity, and minority status are all that matters.
Woopwoop’s suggestion is like democracy – imperfect, but better than all the alternatives. Unless you take Guy’s realpolitik cue, and then you could say another ‘viable’ (but completely unprincipled, but Guy has decoupled principle from pragmatics) option is for the Israelis to drive all the Palestinian Arabs out (or even better, kill them) – which seems to be the current game plan under the pretence of a two-state solution, and all aided and abetted by the international community and gutless journalists, including Crikey, it seems.
Interesting how a post like this that mentions killing Arabs and driving them out of Palestine clears the Crikey moderator, but my posts yesterday mentioning ending the current set-up (won’t specify it in case the moderating bot objects) are still blocked 22 hours later.
The weak excuses for unjustified embargoes proffered by the staff responsible for oiling & greasing the rampaging ModBot are beneath a respectable publication.
It is possible to engage with a soft(er) machine but they are still constrained to utter the same trite phrases about inadequate algorithms and forbidden words & concepts.
Part of the reason the US speaks softly and only every wants a ceasefire, not a resolution:
https://www.statista.com/chart/12205/the-usas-biggest-arms-export-partners/
Incidentally, Guy, anti-semitism from Christian states that marginalised their Jewish populations descended from the Roman “ethnic cleansing” of Jews, that resented the rise of Jewish intellectuals and property owners in Europe, when feudal rights lapsed with the rise of Capitalism, gave rise to the belief among many Jews that they deserved “national self-determination”, which they could not get in any Christian country. Many Jews recognise the tragedy of the betrayal of the principles of national self-determination that Israel now pursues but they are now dismissed as “self-hating Jews”. Pity about that.
yes um I know that. everyone does.
I thought that there was a reason why you should distinguish a bit more strongly than you did between Israel as a traditional colonising power and one that once understandably saw it’s mission as “ national self determination for Jews” but then you knew that already, like everyone else. Mind you, it was only an incidental remark.
It’s good to here Biden and Trump and Boris all know what you and I know Guy
There is still a chance for the Palestinians with a population growth of 30 per 1000 compared to Jews 19 per 1000. A bit slower than the Islamisation of Sweden.
What is that supposed to mean? Just for the record, Sweden has 6,577,478 Christians, 3,429,974 no affiliation and 222,733 of Non-Christian religions of whom 190,447 were Muslim, despite many years of relatively open immigration. (2018 data.) As for Palestine/Israel, the majority there has probably always been Palestinian despite floods of Jewish immigrants and the expulsion of Palestinians from the territory and with an estimated 7m+ Palestinians in the Israel/Palestine territory it probably still has a majority of Muslims. Reportedly the estimated almost 10% of Israelis who live overseas are still counted as part of the Jewish population so the Palestinian Muslim/Christian/Druze majority is probably larger than the rulers of the country admit.
Well I read an article that Swedes will be a minority in their country by 2050. Swedes Will Become Minority in Their Own Country in Less Than Half a Century, Researcher Says – Sputnik International (sputniknews.com) You’re welcome to chew over it.
Jews are Arabs just like Palestinians Same DNA.
Did you get a stiff down voting my comment.
so what happens to the US support for Israel when no one needs oil anymore?
US support fot Israel is incidentslly about oul, mainly about purposeful sustained political intervention by zionists in American politics
Easy. Israel will increase its transfer of surveillance and IT tech to China.
As Wikipedia tells us:
“Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China
and as a conduit for sophisticated cutting edge military technology, followed
by France and Germany.”
Both China and Israel have a common goal in obliterating any Muslims in
their respective colonies.