The principle of Indigenous fish traps, as I understand it, is to convince the fish that it is going in the opposite direction to the one it’s actually taking, and then start it turning in ever smaller circles.
With the debate around Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu, we now know how the fish feels. In thirty-plus years of culture wars one has never seen a stoush which is so defined by confusion, misprision, projection and people standing for the opposite of what they think they’re doing.
To not know the basics of the Dark Emu wars you’d have to have been out in the desert somewhere — OK, bad metaphor, but the basics are this: in 2014, novelist and short story writer Bruce Pascoe published said book, which argued that the Aboriginal Australians, far from being wholly nomadic hunter-gatherer-foragers, had been agriculturalists and semi-sedentists, storing and farming food, and living in villages of stone huts. Their arrival on the continent was not 60,000 years ago but 120,000.
These cultural practices were “achievements”, Pascoe argued, which should be celebrated. The picture of hunter-gatherers moving across the surface of the earth finding food by chance and putting up shelters that were temporary at best was quite wrong. Pascoe drew in part on earlier sources, but his skills as a writer of compressed narrative gave Dark Emu a pace and energy earlier accounts lacked.
For decades no anthropologist has doubted — and Indigenous people raised in their traditions never have doubted — what Pascoe focuses on: that the Indigenous peoples in some places (or at some times) engaged in seed-scattering vegetable replanting; the crushing, pasting and baking of foods; catching wild fish in intricate traps; wearing sewn clothes made from animal skins in the south-east; sometimes making circular, durable huts, sometimes using stone for parts of it.
But this remains unknown to many white Australians, who still believe — from outdated curriculum materials and the “productivist” nature of everyday life — that Aboriginal people wandered naked from one kangaroo or bush orange tree to the next, relying on luck — an almost impossibly bare life.
So Pascoe’s record of this will be a revelation to many, and one suspects that accounts for much of its sales success and popularity. Pascoe is rapturous about these discoveries, seeing them as allowing us to understand Indigenous people as ingenious and “advanced” — arguing that seed baking, for example, predates baking in Egypt by many millennia. “The bakers of antiquity: why don’t our hearts fill with wonder and pride?” Pascoe asks.
For veteran anthropologist Peter Sutton — author, with Keryn Walshe, of the just-published Farmers or Hunter-gatherers, a book-length reply to Dark Emu — this is to get both the evidence, and Aboriginal society (by “Aboriginal society” from here on, I’ll mean “pre-1788 Aboriginal society’) quite wrong.
Pascoe is at fault in his surmise that these practices were accompanied by substantial storage, systematic planting and harvesting, and that this amounted to incipient agriculture. They say, and it seems a fairly compelling case, that Pascoe has not considered the absence of any evidence for these practices, despite the presence of those more minimal activities. He’s failed to include exhaustive studies of bush food use, which rule out cultivation, has misread or truncated the accounts of many explorers and invaders/settlers, and has included little oral evidence from elders in areas where transmission of such has been relatively unbroken, and who explicitly reject notions of proto-agriculture.
Why has Pascoe not “seen” the absence of larger activities? Because, the authors suggest, he wants to see agriculture. He’s brought a developmentalist mindset — the “wonder and pride” — which sees farming as better and more advanced than hunting and foraging, and has thus leapt on anything that might be seen as an early trace of it.
These growing and tending practices, Sutton and Walshe argue, are part of the repetoire of the relatively unchanging way of life, and often rare — in particular fish trapping, used by only two groups/clans of the thousands who constitute the pre-contact population. The same goes for clothes and housebuilding. The children’s version of Dark Emu is particularly stark in this respect, because it is necessarily simplified and more or less depicts Aboriginal people quite differently to the “spirit-following nomads” picture of them built up by hundreds of other researchers, and elder oral tradition.
That indicates the deeper problem with Pascoe’s account, they argue, and it’s that he simply does not understand the radically different nature of societies such as Aboriginal Australia, in which spirits and forces are present, absolutely viscerally there in every tree, thunderstorm, bubbling creek, branch fall and so on. While Pascoe talks of myths, he appears to see them as somewhat separate to life practice, such as gathering, and subject to a separate process of ingenuity, experimentation and the like. But that’s a worldview — the separation of the gods into the sky, away from total presence in the world — that only occurs in the West with the creation of agriculture.
It seems harsh to say but Pascoe, who claims indigenous ancestry, appears to look to agriculture to fill a world whose completeness he cannot see — one in which the people believe themselves to be producing food by ritual religious practices that call out the spirits tending eel ponds, yam patches, baobab trees and so on. “Spiritual propagation” was the way to get food happening. The foraging expertise — knowing when and where the eels came, or the grasses flowered — was encoded in the stories told, a vast oral compendium.
Indeed Sutton could have, should have gone further. What most non-Indigenous people don’t understand, and which for us can only be accessed by some immersion either in anthropology and/or elder oral tradition, is that such traditional societies are based on systems of meaning in which everything is bound in everything else.
The moon is your mother-in-law but it’s also an eel, and that tree over there has a platypus spirit so you can’t go to the right of it during the moonlight, but your cousin — on your mother’s not your father’s side, duh — can but not if they married into the sand hill people, because… and on it goes.
Everything signifies, including yourself, because you’re a platypus person, but your cousin’s an eel, and your cousin on the other side is a possum. Possums hunt with platypi but can only marry eels or snakes who can’t marry each other, because the Great Eel tricked the Great Possum into giving up its beak, which is that great smooth rock over there, and now…. Where we see nature as absence and backdrop, for such people the landscape, even the desert landscape, teems with the significance a cityscape has for us.
We live among buildings, ads, cars, cranes, confrontations, graffiti, buskers, people yelling into their churinga iPhones, negotiations. It’s all coming at us all the time, and so it was for them.
Our myths and stories of the city come out of Netflix, the exemplary tales we live by (don’t do a drug deal gone wrong! Don’t get in that car!), and the ghosts of our ancestors visiting us (Casablanca playing tonight on the golden oldies channel!); theirs flowed from the landscape itself, were present in it.
If agriculture never developed here, one reason is because of all the clamour, because too much was going on. And of course, this too is an oversimplification, because modes of thought in such societies also have a basic purposiveness to them. When a branch falls, you jump out of the way.
But “spirit-world” oversimplification is far truer to that different way of life than one that presents it, by default, as an absence of modernity.
This view — the “spirit-kinship” eye, if you like — is not something non-Indigenous people can get in a single act of thought. It takes a while to really see a creek, a stand of trees, the flight of birds in anything approximating the way they would once have been seen. The object-oriented view — there’s a pile of mud, some grass and a bunch of trees — squats in our head, and even those who with knowledge of botany are seeing a rationalised form; an acacia is a form of grass, with a certain cellular structure, not an echidna turned into a plant by the Great Eagle, which is why you can’t marry your third maternal cousin, once removed. Duh.
That is what one gets introduced to in anthropology but it has never made its way sufficiently into the school curriculum. And that is the paradox of Dark Emu. It simultaneously introduces people to much of the richness of Aboriginal life practice while re-inscribing the myth of an absence waiting to be filled by development.
Bewilderingly, Pascoe begins the book with the sort of view of spirit-foraging lifestyle that sounds as bad as the most blinkered invader/settler account: “Could it be that the accepted view of Indigenous Australians simply wandering from plant to plant, kangaroo to kangaroo, in a hapless opportunism, was incorrect?”
Accepted by who? No specialist has thought this of the hunter-gatherer/spirit-forager lifestyle for more than a century. If many in the ordinary population still think it, that’s a failure of our education system and our storytelling. I can’t think of any worse way to lessen understanding of Aboriginal society than using this view of it to promote agriculture as an alternative.
So who were all these people praising Dark Emu, when all us pointyheads were meant to be (according to the right) terrible cultural relativists, trying to remember the readings from Marshall Sahlins and Clifford Geertz in Anthropology 101 all those years ago?
I suspect it is many in a “middle band” of people — those many non-Indigenous Australians who are passionate about seeing Indigenous Australians as full equals, and yet who still have the “naked and starving” view of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle in their heads.
Dark Emu offered a way to see Aboriginal society without the condescension of seeing absence, and so it was seized upon. Perhaps that’s why, on Sutton and Walshe’s book excerpt in Good Weekend, the authors — defenders of the autonomous validity of Aboriginal lifeways — were pilloried on social media, by people defending a Eurocentric account of those lifeways in the name of anti-racism.
To add to the complication — this is a verrry twisty fish trap — the right seized on Dark Emu, not to champion the autonomous validity of Aboriginal society, but to deny Pascoe’s argument and to reaffirm the “absence” theory of hunter-gatherer/spirit-forager life; that it was nasty, brutish and short.
Keith Windschuttle, the ex-Khmer Rouge sympathiser author of The Fabrication of Aboriginal History, had described the Indigenous people of Tasmania pretty much as stupid for having relatively few implements, and who would have died out anyway (after just the odd 35,000 years!), and this spitting hatred was everywhere reproduced on the right. Irony of ironies, their disdain for Aboriginal society, past and present, was pure envy of a people for whom a real culture survives; the Australian Anglo culture that the right would like to draw on long since disappeared under the tsunami of US mass-produced “culture”.
Nothing terrible is going to happen to children from Dark Emu being in the curriculum, given how much shoddy stuff is still in there anyway. Education is approximate myths we tell about many matters, which further education corrects (a sample from your education: mathematical infinity is not the largest quantity, money did not emerge from barter, the electron does not orbit the nucleus, the industrial revolution did not create capitalism, and more).
It’s less untrue to know that Aboriginal people trapped fish, grew vegetables and used multiple hut types than to think they wandered the land like daytrippers who’d lost their luggage, looking for a discarded sandwich somewhere.
But it would be far better to teach the autonomy and validity of pre-1788 Aboriginal culture on its own terms, and try and convey something of the “thick difference” of it to modernity.
One can’t really see that the children’s version of Dark Emu should be taught, and Pascoe — a passionate man who has seen the Aboriginal people of Australia with an eye that is generous and loving, but is still the settler’s eye — needs to rethink the text. Even if he does, the existing story is out and about now. One hell of a fish trap for our slippery times.
With respect, Bruce’s book is open about its sources and agenda, and Bruce is famously open to acknowledging other arguments in the ongoing discussion. Dark Emu, it should be emphasised, points to findings and holes in findings alike, and is written for a lay audience to open minds. On the other hand, historians Sutton and Walshe have chosen personal attack (the title itself invites division and doubt rather than discussion) over a nuanced discussion extending the knowledge base of those who read Dark Emu. That there is a personal element in all this is indicated not only by the title, but the omission of a similar attack on Bill Gammage’s The Greatest Estate on Earth.
That’s an interesting point.
None of these discussions even touch on the fact that there was not a single, unitary European culture on the continent of Europe before the arrival of the white man in Australia.
Nor was there a single, unitary culture on what was then called the nation of Great Britain.
Sorry reply meant for Jackson Harding.
That’s false. Sutton and Walshe haven’t attacked Pascoe personally at all. Theyve simply gone through his book, applied their decades of general and specialist knowledge, snd argued – extremely persuasively – that large parts of it are simply wrong.
They may not have but their work is being used by those who do. Extreme persuasion is not valid research.You are easily persuaded. Perhaps this has something to do with your core beliefs.
That seems a strange interpretation of Rundle’s reply. He directly mentions the authors’ “decades of general and specialist knowledge”. Why would you suggest their book lacks research? Isn’t it clear that Rundle is saying the book is persuasive because they did their research?
Their interpretation is through their eyes. I have also researched for decades to find out more about my history & the great silence.
I have no great respect for many anthropologists. I have met too many of them.
All of Pascoe’s sources are white men.
Of course their interpretation is their own – why would they present someone else’s interpretation as their own? Your previous criticism was that they did not research. Now you concede they did research, but you don’t like their interpretation. That’s fine, no reason why you have to agree. No reason either why you must respect them or anyone else. But there is nothing persuasive about just saying you are the expert who knows the truth and everyone else is clueless. Perhaps you should write a book? Perhaps you have – this would be good opportunity to mention it.
Sutton’s research is guided by his understanding of Aboriginal culture which is viewed through his own cultural background. It can be no other way. So he can never be an expert, only an outsider. I have read some of Sutton’s work. No doubt, cutting edge back in 1988, but understanding has progressed along way since then, & much of it appears quite dated. My criticism was not that they didnt research. It was that their research is their very dated opinion. They have spent decades making a living presenting their version of events, from the perspective of their generation, & their own cultural bias. That is all I meant.
Anthropologists dismiss people like Pascoe far too often, which is sad, because many people no longer living what anthropologists see as ‘traditional’ lives are still in touch with something they will never be in touch with.
“their research is their very dated opinion.”
What is that supposed to mean? Research /= opinion, dated or not.
“Anthropologists dismiss people like Pascoe far too often, which is sad…”
Which it would be, but that is exactly what Sutton and Walshe have not done. They have taken Pascoe seriously and written a detailed response to his book. Pascoe has welcomed that. What is your problem? Are you just trying to pick fights?
One point to address sorry. I don’t think Sutton and Walshe wrote their book because they take Pascoe, or his book, seriously, Sutton says as much in interviews. I believe it has more to do with the exposure his book garnered in the academic world and in the fact that aspects of it are used in schools. There is an insider/outsider feel here. As someone else mentioned Bill Gammage doesn’t take a hit.
You say quote” your previous criticism was that they did not research”.
I did not say that at all.
Then you say
“Now you concede they did do research”.
Gas lighting 101.
Penny wrote “You say quote” your previous criticism was that they did not research”.
I did not say that at all.”
But you did, it’s there on this page, and now you are lying, because Penny wrote “They [Sutton and Walshe] may not have but their work is being used by those who do. Extreme persuasion is not valid research.” => Sutton and Walshe have not done valid research
Penny wrote “Then you say “Now you concede they [Sutton and Walshe] did do research”.”
But Penny wrote previously “Their [Sutton’s and Walshe’s] interpretation is through their eyes. I have also researched for decades…”
The only reason you would put “also” in the latter sentence is because you are saying Sutton and Walshe have done research, otherwise it makes no sense at all. And yet it contradicts your earlier statement, unless you want to split hairs and make a laughable argument distinguishing between “valid” research in one statement and the researches done by you and Sutton and Walshe that you talk about in your later quotation.
Penny wrote “Gas lighting 101.”
Yes, you are attempting basic gaslighting, and you’re not very good at it.
What does ‘extreme persuasion’ mean? Sutton and Walshe spend 200+pages drawing on their own researches in continuous elder traditional accounts, and citing a much larger body of research than Pascoe, to, point by point challenge many of Pascoe’s leaps of judgement. Furthermore you continue to miss the point that kinship/hunter-gatherer life is not assessed on its own terms, but in European ones – a mistake you simply repeat
I am missing no point. All that has happened is that you have jumped on the bandwagon. I have also spent years studying first hand hand accounts, spent time with families out bush, listened to stories. Why? because I want to know more about my ancestors. My Aboriginal, English & Irish ancestors. No one has claimed that Aboriginal agriculture was European farming so it is you who is conflicted here. Sutton & co failed to appreciate this too. People here claiming that because a totem increase ceremonies were practised it cant be agriculture. Tell that to the Europeans with their pagan & christian harvest festivals. Stop telling me I am making a mistake. Its so arrogant for you to say this.
Your usual response to being chided is to tell people that you know best – on an astonishing range of topics – to ‘shut up’ because you know best and, failing that, demand that contrary opinions be removed.
Not big on discussion or consensus, are you?
I have never demanded contact ray opinions be removed. I have never told someone to shut up.
Contrary.
Totally untrue.
Your exact words”, on numerous occasions & subjects –
“Just stop it“, “Why are these comments not removed?“, “Just shut up” and the real debate (s)topper “I know!”, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseam.
When rape was being discussed. I note this aggravates you. You really have issues with women clearly.
You really are a bully.
What is your issue with me? That I spoke out about rape? I see you now. thats what upsets you. Women speaking our about a rape.
Get help.
Unfortunately your ignorant arrogance is displayed on most topics, usually when handing down wisdom ex cathedra, as if auto-argumentum ab auctoritate.
Under His Eye. Not big on women being educated are you?
ok. But was it lack of space or what that prevented Rundle from mentioning that Bruce Pascoe has welcomed Sutton and Walshe’s book and the debate it has opened up about the claims he made in Dark Emu?
That’s a decent and generous act by Pascoe, when it is more typical for debate on any contentious matter to be still-born as everyone picks a side, dives into the trenches and starts throwing bombs instead. See for example in today’s Crikey the article about the culture war on Critical Race Theory, where debate is clearly impossible.
What else could Pascoe do but welcome debate arising from Sutton and Walshe’s book? He would look foolish if he tried to counter their claims – their book is much better researched.
Criticism of Dark Emu is still going to generate publicity and more sales for the book. But I am not sure if the ABC is going ahead with the TV doco. on Dark Emu
What else could Pascoe do? Being entirely reasonable, his options were constrained as you say. But not everyone is reasonable, and Pascoe could for example, easily have joined with those Rundle mentions who pilloried Sutton and Walshe on social media.
Bolt et al are an example – a bad one – of what Pascoe could do.
Pascoe won’t go and debate bolt on skynews, pascoe knows he would get demolished and made to look like a fraud
Blot does not, cannot, debate.
He bellows, blusters, bluffs and belittles and even then requires a kill-button, to talk over people.
He fell out with the Kredlinator when she ran the Poison Dwarf’s radio prog. for a couple of days, hanging up on her and refusing to re-engage.
And that was a fellow traveller on the road to perdition through perfidy!
Having read Dark Emu and the reply by Sutton and Walsh, my read on Dark Emu is it is an attempt to to create a bridge for non-Indigenous people to understand the past.
Due to shoddy curriculum and learning, we do not understand the absolute otherness of pre-1788 Australia. Our political, economic and social trappings make that impossible. When I speak to my students, you get the idea that whilst the dreaming is a concept they have studied, it is fairly similar to Aesop’s tales. However, it also creates an image of savages who lived off the land and had achieved nothing, not compared to the Romans or Egyptians!
So Pascoe’s book offers a bridge. We don’t get the spiritualist life (I admit that I don’t fully get it and I will probably spend my life trying to understand it more fully) but we get concrete concepts like farming, building and trade. Having taught with Dark Emu, I see genuine interest in Aboriginal culture outside developing. It’s expressed in a few ways (most often just may “can we get this food?”) but any interest is an achievement.
Agree. I see Dark Emu as a bridge translating something foreign to white australians into something tangible and real. The more discussion and debate the better as Pascoe himself has reinforced with his response. I don’t really understand why both can’t be true. There were lots of different societies/countries as per Indonesia and the cultures, languages don’t have to be consistent for us to appreciate them. The history of before-1788 and the true history that followed is so important and should be prioritised in learning ahead of Romans and Vikings (eye roll). The fact that most of us were taught that all Tasmanian aboriginals were killed off, only to find out in adulthood that this is a lie, says everything that needs to be fixed about ‘Australian’ history. The constant lies about our shared history is corrosive to our basic faith in society. Watching ‘Who do you think you are’ with Uncle Jack Charles is even further illuminating about how much we are not told about what really happened between 1788 and now.
Kids are still told that Melbourne is the only major city in the world that uses trams as a major public transport, so the lies are rampant.
On teaching, there is an absolute lack of support from Government and a fear that the truth is just too horrific. I’m pretty blunt and talk about genocide, rape and massacres. I’ve been pulled up on it once but pointed to the fact that we were teaching the Holocaust earlier and there were no complaints.
…it’d be more apt to say that Sydney is the only (non anglophone) major city NOT to have a tram system.
(The hodge-podge of ‘lite-rale‘ littering the place, courtesy of developers fallen on hard times, is an abiding, civic shame.)
As a retired but still passionate teacher, I have to completely agree with you. The truth is too horrifying and govts cringe in the face of truth.
They both cant be true because Pascoe constructs hunter gatherer life as an absence of European achievements – and then ‘rescues’ it from scorn by finding those achievements. It judges pre-1788 aboriginal society by european value systems
If you read “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond, you’ll understand that European/Asian societies weren’t smarter, just lucky. They had grasses that could be cultivated(wheat, barley, oats, rice) beasts of burden and transportation (horses, oxen) that gave them the leisure to invent “things”. In the isolated and worn-down ancient continent of Australia, the Aborigines had none of the these advantages.
Aboriginal people had the advantage of living in the oldest continual SUSTAINABLE culture known to mankind. Everything that was needed for a good life was here.
Yes, and our forebears learnt to smelt (and write) quite recently; we were just luckier, not smarter. When the first white people arrived, the First Nations people craved fishhooks. Just as the Tahitians did when Cook arrived in there. So the visitors were “superior” in that respect, in a technological sense. But ruled by a monarchy that had created huge social division, and the whites were described by Carl Lumholtz as being morally inferior to the First Nations people that he lived with. I dunno, rather than focus on the tit for tat surrounding Pascoe and the two anthropologists, I would encourage people to read the original accounts of first contact.
Funny really, the polanesian outlier islands in the Solomon’s still like to fish with hooks mad from shell because the don’t have a barb and fish like the way they glint.
What I always like to remember about traditional Aboriginal society was that they each worked, on average, about 15 hours a week to fulfill their needs. Makes mugs of us, doesn’t it?
Yep, and even the concept of ‘work’ was not how we now understand it. I doubt that ‘they’ thought of hunting kangaroo as ‘work’.
Of course they didn’t. Acquiring food and water, and making tools were all just a part of life itself. They were life itself. Childrens’ education consisted of learning these things.
Well, if all you aspire to is the life of a hunter-gatherer with some primitive “farming” thrown in, go for it. This veneration of an early Aboriginal life-style (pre 1788) is getting silly.
I agree that Dark Emu has helped progress the genuine curiosity about and interest in Aboriginal culture.
Perhaps, but its inaccuracies and misunderstandings put that curiosity on poor foundations. We teach children how to understand the world as accurately as possible and how to critique inaccuracies and bias. Dark Emu was well intentioned but that’s not enough.
Has it? Looks to me that it’s inspired a whole lot of young people to accept a theory (which is all it is) that somehow proclaims a hunter gatherer life in a land of plenty is inferior to basic farming. What’s the good of that?
This speaks to the need for a knowledge class that can speak to the general public, otherwise the gap between specialist understanding and popular belief becomes wider and more tribal. We need our Mayakovsky!
Genuine ignorant question: what did Mayakovsky offer in this field?
Yes, but you are simply repeating the error of Pascoe’s offhand constructions of hunter-gatherer life as ‘savagery’. It’s not a bridge, if the facts are wrong, and if judges aboriginal society by European frameworks. It actually pushes pre-1788 aboriginal society further away.
Capital A. Please. Your lack of respect again duly noted.
Agriculture isn’t “European”, we just apply it as such as our agriculture is predominantly the European model (hence why we decided to grow rice in a desert). It’s been used as an argument for the savagery of the Aboriginal people that they didn’t have their own version of agriculture.
However, I disagree that it makes their society further away. It is still here and as Pascoe has said, he wants to see the practices restored and renewed.
Finally, I know the opinions on Pascoe are diverse within the Aboriginal community but two elders have separately called him “a great man”. Ultimately, I’m just trying to listen to their views.
guy rundle is sadly promoting white ‘experts’ on Aboriginal culture. Anthropologists are not always right. I have zero respect for many of those I have met. They do great damage to communities, dividing people for the benefit of mining companies& governments, caring more for their reputations than the communities they harvest their information from.
Yet Pascoes book is entirely predicated on the views (often exaggerated with leaps of logic) of white settlers and explorers.
So, there is a lot of rice growing in deserts in Europe is there?
Very nicely put.
Well said. Anything that helps bridge this terrible divide
Who says Aboriginal Australians need a “bridge”? Another term bandied about that infers helpless Aborigninal communitoes somehow need help with their remembered and spoken history passed down through endless generations.
As a white fella who received an extremely deficient education in Australian Indigenous culture and history, I bought Dark Emu precisely to gain more understanding. I love these discussions, as they only enlighten me further.
Very well written article btw Guy. Only one big word I didn’t understand this week! A new record low!
I don’t know what “misprision” is either!
The concept is alive and thriving in our whistle blower laws which demand that civil servants conceal an offence.
The Witness K/Collaery case was precisely that – crime had been committed but the only charges were against those who revealed the malfeasance.
In 1966 the Master of the Rolls and Keeper of the Privy Seal, Lord Denning ruled in the Privy Council that “…a person cannot be required to conceal knowledge of an offence by his master” – Initial Services vs Jones.
And yet, here we are.
Thank you – an attempt to create abridge for non Indigenous people to understand the past. I Wayne abridge to non western Indigenous past! It requires owning your own story and getting outside it and seeing ‘other’ Thus is the point – being able to encounter , take in ‘other’ Indigenous Knowledge .
None of these discussions even touch on the fact that there was not a single, unitary Aboriginal culture on this continent before the arrival of the white man. There were an absolute plethora of different cultures, different nations, different languages, and totally different means of surviving. The culture of the Top End, with plentiful food to be had from the surrounding waters (and trade with seafarers from what is now Indonesia) made for a very different culture to that in Victoria away from the coast, and both of these are entirely different (and would appear utterly alien) to someone from the central and western deserts. ANd some adjoining cultures simply did not get along, but fought each other, often quite brutally, with conflict over land and resources. So fish traps, which are only found in some Aboriginal cultures, are hardly repressentative of 60,000 years of a multi-national continent prior to 1788
None of these discussions even touch on the fact that there was not a single, unitary European culture on the continent of Europe before the arrival of the white man in Australia.
Nor was there a single, unitary culture on what was then called the nation of Great Britain.
ANd some adjoining cultures simply did not get along, but fought each other, often quite brutally, with conflict over land and resources.
Quite so: life in the central deserts would have been a very different proposition to life, say, on the NSW coast. More abundant food and water meant a more sendentary life could be maintained.
One of the reasons the gubba guesstimate of a pre1776 population around a couple of hundred thousands is so risible is that they made the same assumption that the coast life was easier & richer than that of the Interior.
That is far from the case.
By the time the flocks & herds reached the Interior (don’t forget that it took 25yrs just to get from Penrith to Katoomba and even then they had to be guided), getting on for the mid 1800s, the massive population loss was already 3 or 4 generations past with the consequent loss of irreplaceable lore & skills.
The integrated spiritual world Rundle, Sutton and Walshe talk about is not inconsistent with Pascoe’s focus on the material aspects of life. The Law is clearly about how to live well in the land. If there was harvesting and replanting in some places that presumably will have been encoded in the Law.
Rundle patronises both Pascoe and Pascoe’s readers by implying we’re too stupid to appreciate the subtleties of Aboriginal life, which apparently Rundle is a guru in, and can only think in materialist terms.
Bill Gammage’s book was the big revelation for me – the entire landscape was cultivated. Pascoe’s book then elaborated that picture. I was disposed to believe Aboriginal life was much more sophisticated than ‘simple nomads’, but the books still transformed my view. So, as someone has noted, why not the outrage about Gammage?
You don’t have to believe everything Pascoe writes – and he made himself a target of cheap shots by pushing 120,000 years of occupation – to be stimulated into a broader view. Rundle seems to be nearly as anxious to defend academic turf as Sutton, Walshe and the several historians who have labelled Dark Emu ‘demolished’.
I doubt very much Rundle has done any real research into this. If he had, he would see that there is more evidence supporting Pascoe than disproving what he says.
As you point out, no one is attacking Gammage. The real concern here is that the attacks are driven by those who will not acknowledge Pascoe’s Aboriginal identity, making the attacks just more examples of racist white Australia struggling to comprehend that the history of their country was kept from them. I expect better of Rundle. He should realise this.
Disappointing AND the day after NAIDOC. No respect.
There is a contradiction between the way we understand kinship-forager (ie hunter-gatherer) life, and agriculture, and Sutton makes it clear in the early chapters – the kinship-forager framework is a total system, in which natural processes are interpreted in spiritual, animated terms. The secular, analytic approach that arises and makes agriculture as a system possible has not yet started to separate off from that spiritual understanding. To see kinship peoples as junior agriculturalists is always to see them in eurocentric terms, not on their own terms. It’s not an academic vs average bloke thing – Pascoe’s work is footnoted and academic in form. It is simply, by Sutton and Walshe’s analysis, full of gaps, omissions, and misinterpretation.
CHRISTIAN festivals, harvest festivals, so much religious & pagan overlay in traditional western farming when Cook sailed.
There is a contradiction between the way we understand farmer/church goer/harvest festival attendee life & agriculture.
By stripping Europe & England of its layers of pagan, christian & other religions, imagining somehow that the agriculture they practised was separate from this is where the wheels fall off your cart. Again.
A good concept, poorly put.
Clearly you have read Sutton & Pascoe , but not much else. Sad. Junior agriculturalists? Again YOUR terms. Pascoe NEVER said this. JUNIOR???? That is JUST INSULTING.
Secular, analytical approach to agriculture? Cold Comfort Farm. The 1700s, when Cook sailed….. Groan.
Stella Gibbons?
You don’t think agriculture can be part of a spiritual system? Who says? (Not the Bible.) I know Sutton and Walshe do, but they presume it they don’t show it. I think Sutton is extrapolating too much from his intimate experience with Wik people. He ties himself in knots. They were extremely conservative but they have complex cultures – well when did the complexity develop? How long did it take? We don’t know. Why could cultivation of various kinds not slowly develop and be incorporated into the spiritual complex, just like a lot of other stuff was.
I also think the ‘junior agriculturalists’ is much overblown. Pascoe uses language that places First Australians in a spectrum, perhaps carelessly but conveys the idea. I don’t see any message that they were going to have cities and technology just like us.
I think the silly thing is that Sutton, Walshe and Pascoe are all saying First Australian cultures were a lot more sophisticated and complex than the ‘simple nomad’ trope that is far from dead in White Australian society. Too bad people have to make a big fight instead of leveraging off Pascoe’s popularity.
I’m an academic, and I’m afraid I recognise nit-picking academic defensiveness (among the historian reviewers too) rather than a bit of generosity and – omigosh – humility that Pascoe is a good communicator.
Sutton and Walshe’s extensive argument is that while there’s evidence for seeding, tending, replanting, etc – as has been known for decades about all indigenous cultures – there is no evidence for the more systemic proto-agricultural practices Pascoe describes. They are very thorough in exploring this. In lumping the two together (S and W, and Pascoe), you ignore the fact that S and W are saying that Pascoe is going in the exact wrong direction – he’s undermining the autonomous validity of pre-1788 aboriginal society by judging it through an agricultural/western lens. That’s not nitpicking. It’s a crucial argument.
“undermining the autonomous validity of pre-1788 aboriginal society “?
I re-read DE and I do not get that message, and it is clearly not Pascoe’s intention. Your academic filter may say that, but he didn’t write it for academics. As I said, everyone’s arguing for a complex society. Instead of patronising rants (yours and Sutton and Walshe’s) some careful explanation without the condemnation might go a long way. So we disagree.
“academic filter”
It seems not to have occurred to Grundle that Sutton & Walshe’s sources were the deracinated remnants of a vast culture and different civilisations with more nuance than the stolid mud suckers of neolithic Euroland.
Agriculture in the Fertile Crescent was not an advance nor achievement but a desperate attempt avoid evolution, holding onto a bunch of wildly unsuitable practices which were OK when the safety net of the wild abounded.
Once the trees of the uplands were removed and the rivers of Mesopotamia began uncontrolled and uncontrollable flooding, the land began to suffer the “white plague” – well attested in cuneiform – of salination due to over use of irrigation and failure to rotate crops & pasture.
How about pondering the fact that the inhabitants of the Great Southern Landmass gave the whole settled autocracy deal a red-hot go but grokked the inherent fallacies early enough to say ‘thanks but no thanks, you gotta be nutz’ to persist.
What’s the definition of stupidity – doing the same thing over & over whilst expecting different results?
Like vast areas of the interior, esp western Qld which have been on drought relief for generations?
A more rational culture might have said, “yeah, nah” to the whole grazing of hard hooved northern hemisphere mammals idiocy – aka soil mining- and tried seeing the land & climate for what it was, not wished.
Editorial staff – please EXPLAIN why the post above was withheld!
FFS, how can the MadBot be active here?
Whenit appears, I demand that the staff give an explanation – ie NOT an excuse like crappy algorithms – for why it was withheld.