The most interesting aspect of Tony Abbott’s remarks on Friday to a Taiwanese audience was right at the start.
“Two years back I hesitated to attend this conference lest that provoke China,” Abbott said, before going on to explain why Xi Jinping’s actions had prompted him to attend.
What he didn’t note was that his nemesis Malcolm Turnbull attended the same forum last year, apparently relaxed about “provoking China”. Of course, being in the middle of the pandemic, Turnbull’s attendance was virtual, and his speech was a little more coded than Abbott’s (not to mention much better). But Turnbull wasn’t particularly evasive in his references to China’s interference in Australia and his response (including the foreign influence laws), the need to ensure “we don’t move into a world where might is right”, and his conclusion “the rule of law and mutual respect are the keys and that’s why we must work together in the region as a mesh of countries with shared values to protect our sovereignty”.
Unlike Turnbull, Abbott did nothing to counter Chinese influence while prime minister — indeed, he enabled it with a free trade agreement and a promise (which Turnbull tried and failed to act on) — to establish an extradition agreement with the Beijing tyranny.
Abbott argued in defence of his actions on Friday, saying he was trying to encourage Beijing to integrate into a rules-based international order (the reality that “rules-based international order” applies to everyone but the United States is an argument for another day). “Much has changed in just six years,” he now admits.
Nonetheless, having overcome his concerns about affronting Beijing — where the threshold for taking umbrage is ever lower — Abbott was there in person in Taipei to say “Taiwan’s future should be decided by its own people; and to let Beijing know that any attempt at coercion would have incalculable consequences”, stressing that the US had recently reiterated its commitment to Taiwan and that “I don’t think Australia should be indifferent to the fate of a fellow democracy of almost 25 million people.” Should, not would, which would be something quite different.
“Nothing is more pressing right now, than solidarity with Taiwan,” Abbott said, a somewhat eccentric take on a world emerging from a pandemic. But by solidarity he meant, in particular, “welcoming Taiwan into the Trans-Pacific Partnership”.
Taiwan applied to join what is now call the CPTPP — the TPP without the US — a few days after China applied in September, echoing the process by which Taiwan joined the World Trade Organization the day after China in 2002 despite being far more WTO-compliant than China years earlier. Australia currently opposes China’s application to join the CPTPP on the basis of its ongoing trade war with us.
Critics label the government’s opposition a massive missed opportunity to restart relations with China — but at least the government knows from first-hand experience how dismissive Beijing can be of trade treaties, raising the question of what the benefit of allowing China to enter the agreement is at all.
Taiwan, on the other hand, a small, open economy with the rule of law and a well-functioning democracy, would be an ideal additional member state for a trade agreement struggling for relevance. Taiwan can be relied on to stick to its word in such agreements, unlike Beijing.
Maybe call it “practical solidarity”, in line with past Liberal rhetorical devices, but Abbott was doing God’s work in Taipei. In a purely private capacity, of course.
I dunno Bernard! I personally believe Abbott shoots off his mouth and then thinks afterwards. He is a private citizen ( paid by taxpayers and whomever else) but he has had a knack of stupidity over comnents and actions aka: shyt hapoens when referring to death of aussie soldier in Afghanistan.
Personally I believe Abbott had to many hits to the head when he was boxing in University!
Yes too many punches to the head, damaging the forebrain, so the Lizard Brain takes over
Hence the Goanna style walk with the tongue flicking out side to side coupled with the fight or flight action.
In his case mostly aggressive.
I looked forward to his shirtfronting Putin, with Putin executing a Tomoe Nage and Abbott hitting a wall.
But The Mad Monk piked!
As did I, and who can guess how many others!
All walk and no action.
As for “God’s Work” , which particular Deity would that be.
Could that be The US and its mighty dollar?
Together with its military adventures, one in fact being called a Crusade by a previous Republican Encumbrance in The White House, Dubya The Faux Texan, another example of that great Texas, USA saying All Hat No Cattle.
Look where that has led to…The Viet Nam Farrago, The Afghan Imbroglio, The Iraq Fiasco, which led to The Da’esh Disaster none of which were in defence of Australia…but into which LNP governments have marched off lock step wasting yet more of the blood and treasure of the C of A.
You know well that the Knight Crusaders fought for a greater entity, under the name of God
Raped, pillaged, plundered in the name of a greater good.
Does this sound familiar with the incumbents we have in power now?
But in hindsiggt the Knight Crusaders were deceived and duped.
Same as the Australian public are being duped by this ship of fools and the masquerade they put across
Morrison, Joyce along with the mad monk are sad indictments of a country that has been destroyed by ineptitude/ stupidity
Once again, my opinion!
Back in the day, a local newspaper reported one of his, almost all entirely all, lost amateur bouts that “…Abbott had an interesting technique of warding off punches with his head.”
Boxing – really – Abbott couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
I guess you didn’t say he was any good at it…;-)
I thought it was when he was dropped as a baby. I love how his tongue hangs out of his mouth.
Incredibly sensitive, culturally nuanced, diplomacy is required around anything to do with China- little Australia openly challenged China’s management of Covid and next thing they’ve decided they don’t want our wine, lobsters iron ore…. In light of the aggressive rhetoric out of federal Parliament by our Prime Ministerial clutz and his henchman Dutton, I’d genuinely like to understand what the end game is- I appreciate China’s frightening dominance but are we really thinking war- with China- really?
Absolutely. Having lived in the East for a number of years I learned that our Aussie up-front-ness is totally out of order. The east Asian countries live and let live and dont comment on other countries’ internal matters. It was the height of bad diplomacy (or zilch in the case of Marise and Scotty) to shirt-front the Chinese over Covid when they could have let the UN or the Europeans do it. All the stupid statements are for local consumption – with the ramifications globally then the subject of the usual secrecy and cover up!
Former Australian PM’s are nobodies in the bigger scheme of things and much offshore activity is more about their own PR for Australian media, politics and nudging of tactics or strategy including China.
However, former Australian PMs still want to follow a Trump White House or GOP approach to foreign policy which is more likely to be informed by Koch Network’s radical right libertarian ideology; includes supporting Brexit, dissing the EU etc..
How does having a loudmouth giving a provocative speech in Taiwan help with anything … it just adds to the shrill chorus of LNP characters giving belligerent and aggressive speeches … a firm but moderate stance backed by quiet but firm diplomacy would be better … Australia seems like the loudmouth of the Pacific …
I believe Abbott is wrong. It is all hypocritical, really. Take “Taiwan’s future should be decided by its own people; and to let Beijing know that any attempt at coercion would have incalculable consequences”. Brilliant! But Taiwan is part of China – it was annexed in the 1600s. If you want to go back that far, then we should leave Australia to the Aboriginals too. And if by its own people you mean the indigenous Taiwanese, then the Kuomintang and Chinese who fled there in 1949 – should leave. No other country would accept this situation. The American civil war was about the secession from the southern states. Can you imagine us going to war with China about this? – how stupid can we be?
No area just ‘is’ part of particular country. Borders change, states come together and split apart. Every situation is different – East Timor, Scotland, Catalonia, Tibet, Czechoslovakia… need I go on. Surely the point is not some or other historical precedent, but, morally speaking at least, the wishes of the people.
True – but i doubt very much if VIC voted for independence that it would be allowed. Catalonia is struggling to do it peacefully. Scotland is part of UK like England, so it is separable. Tibet has no say and is in a similar situation as Taiwan – it was annexed at about the same time. Czechoslovakia voted for separation – both sides did. East Timor was ruled by the Portuguese from the 1500s and the Dutch ruled Indonesia. Again, how far do we go back.
If the rest of Australia outside of NSW and the ACT wants to secede from that other bit, count me in.
Let’s not forget the Crimea. A vote to return to Russia was taken and passed by the majority. Ukraine said “Nyet” so Russia annexed it. What did “the West” do? Sanction Russia for doing the will of the people!
It’s worth pointing out that Taiwan claims ownership of China. It was founded by refugees on the losing side of the civil war, who invaded the island and ‘swamped’ the non-chinese people already living there. Oh and the island quite possibly belongs to Japan, though the Japanese govt is quite sensibly staying silent on the issue.
See my response below. Also, the people already living there were of mainly Chinese ethnicity, though Japan did conquer it. Japan gave up its conquests after defeat in WW2. I don’t think anyone now claims Japan ‘owns’ Taiwan.
Not sure that Japan ever ceded sovereignty, and in the event that they did, to which govt did they cede it?
In accordance with the provisions of Article 2 of San Francisco Peace Treaty, the Japanese formally renounced the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan (Wikipedia)
I would be happy if Australia’s future could be decided by its own people. Currently Australia’s future is largely determined by a very small number of locally owned or locally active companies and their oligarchs, and a very large ally-cum-gangster in the US. The Australian people figure so far down the pecking order it’s barely worth consideration.
What’s the rule that says integration in the 1600s counts, but separation in the 1940s doesn’t?
Taiwan’s future status ought to be determined democratically by the Taiwanese people. Anything else would be imperialism.
Not going to happen. Look at Kashmir and Catalonia. No country will just allow a region to walk away.
South Sudan? Timor Leste? Eire? Slovakia, et al?
Not all exactly allowed to walk away but, given the right conditions, possible.
That was then.
This is the New World Order™ ®
That might be desirable but it’s not what happened in, for example, Vietnam.
Were you alluding to the Treaty of Westphalia which, in the mid 1600s, resulted in (allegedly) inviolate & fixed borders of all the recognisable countries of Europe?
There was an article by Daniel Davis, a former lieutenant colonel with the US Army, published in the Guardian six days ago:
“The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs – The prevailing mood among Washington insiders is to fight if China attempts to conquer Taiwan. That would be a mistake.”
“… The only way the US could have our security harmed would be to allow ourselves to be drawn into a war we’re likely to lose over an issue peripheral to US security.”
It’s hard to see how following the USA into a conflict that harms the USA would be any better for Australia.
This one is on similar lines but with more detail on how China would defeat the US.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/537062-us-defend-taiwan-china/
Thanks for this. Sounds like that Scott fellow knows what he is talking about! Perhaps Mr Rabbit and co would benefit from reading it and taking a sanity check!
That Scott fellow knows nothing. Mr Rabbit is an idiot with his ill fitting mask that he complained about wearing, doesn’t he know that Asians have been wearing them for years?
I think she meant the Author of the article in the link, Scott Ritter.
Scott Ritter not Morriscum 🙂 Wrote the linked article above 🙂
Another interesting article on AUKUS
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/535199-australia-submarine-deal-dangerous/
We’re in the hands of political and corporate knaves and fools and profiteers. Dismal. As for Abbott’s shadowboxing for the LNP’s home audience, not sure it even reaches threshold street cred with Libs.
Oh it does but not for the reasons that you would think. A lot of Aussie’s want to return to the 1950’s and 1960’s in certain areas.
Thank you Lexus, good to keep informed by those who have some actual knowledge.. 🙂
This is a story of geopolitically driven military procurement gone mad.
Australia is an island nation whose very survival is dependent upon its ability to access strategic sea lines of communication (SLOCs) so that critical commerce links can operate on a sustained basis. In short, if any nation or group of nations were to cut off Australia’s sea links to the rest of the world, the country would eventually wither away and die.
Now this is where I disagree. It would be a fantastic opportunity to rather quickly get local manufacturing going again… 🙂
That was also my reaction to Ritter’s opening -sounds good to me, let’s give it a go.
Coz I’m from a time when one made & fixed things – or did without.
Me too. I would love us to actually manufacture goods however, reality check, that would require some massive changes to attitudes, wages etc if said produced goods could actually be market competitive. I have no doubt we could produce high quality goods just not at an affordable price.
This ‘affordable price’ of which you speak, sans imports it would not be a consideration – just brings us back to “do it or do without”.
MMT would help iron out things during the changeover.
I love the “do without” but can you honestly see the current Generation wearing that?
No. Chance.
Not even certain that the oldsters would remember how.
rt.com …. the Russian state-controlled “news” mill? I guess it’s no less reliable than Newscorpse ….
It’s an OP Ed by someone who is qualified to analyze and comment.
After losing the civil war and control of China the Guo Min Dang bandits moved to Taiwan following the looting of both the Treasury and cultural treasures of China.
They then proceeded to initiate a reign of terror, The White Terror, in which c.150,000 Taiwanese both indigenous and Han were imprisoned and often tortured as well as land and property stolen.
This was compounded by Martial Law that lasted for ove 38 years
We, as do many other countries that recognise the government of the People’s Republic of China as the only government of China, do not recognise the Government of the Republic of China. The invalid claim of China’s sovereignty over the South China Sea originated from the Republic of China. It also claims Tibet Xinjiang and Hong Kong. While the last three claims have been internationally recognised, there are problems with all three, similar to the problems of Indonesian rule over Irian Jaya. In a better world these problems would all be dealt with in ways that better respected the interests of local people.
Unlike Bernard, I don’t think Tony Abbott has done any good at all by talking about the possibility of China forcibly bringing Taiwan under the rule of government of the remainder of what both the People’s Republic and the Republic of China regard as inalienable parts of China’s sovereign territory.
I think the attempt by the US to contain China’s technological progress so that the US always stays ahead is another misguided attempt to maintain US influence over the world economy. Hopefully, it won’t lead to war over Taiwan, which China is likely to win down the track, if the conflict does not become mutually destructive. And, hopefully, China will realise that its claim over the South China Sea is indefensible and that it would very likely lose, at great cost to itself, any war over its claims, which none of its neighbours-apart from the government of the Republic of China-supports. After seeing the US waste lives and wealth of many countries over Vietnam and Iraq, do we have to entertain another era of waste and destruction over whether China or the US is the leading technological power in the world?
There are more important issues to worry about, which the Coalition is failing to deal with as well.
It’s interesting that no journalists have looked into Abbot’s role in the AUKUS agreement. The combination of culture cringe, wrongness and asia hating has his fingerprints all over it.
New Zealand was the big winner on this one.
Yes- it seems certain the BoJo getting his little payout for bringing Australia to Biden involved Abbott.
Nor potential links with Koch Network’s Heritage Foundation which Abbott has presented at, along with others in same network in the UK e.g. the IEA (direct equivalent of the IPA)…. Heritage’s popular issues include all the radical right’s obsessions round defence, security, trade, immigration, elections, Covid/health policy and ‘progressivism’.Asia