There’s nothing more ecumenical than gay panic, is there?
I say “gay” because it scrolls better than LGBTIQ+ panic, but it’s the whole picnic basket of gender and sexuality questions which roil our religions so much that they are constantly at the centre of intractable social controversies.
This week we have two hot topics: the female Muslim footy player who decided to sit out the AFLW Pride round because of her religion’s position on LGBTIQ+ people, and the Brisbane Christian school which is requiring parents to sign an enrolment contract confirming that “homosexual acts” are immoral and “offensive to God”, and which acknowledges that their children will be expelled if they decline to identify with their “biological sex”.
The footy player is Haneen Zreika, a poster child for diversity as the first Muslim woman in the AFLW and a strong advocate for inclusion. Her statements haven’t spelled out precisely why she declined to wear a jersey with a rainbow on it, but it seems clear she wasn’t able to reconcile doing so with Islam’s strictures on homosexuality (it’s an abomination). It’s also clear that she found it a very difficult conflict to reconcile, and did her best to achieve that with minimal harm to anyone.
The school — Citipointe Christian College, a Pentecostal operation — has been rather more strident. The “statement of faith” in its enrolment contract comes straight from the church’s constitution. It lists homosexual acts along with adultery, bestiality, incest and paedophilia as practices that are “sinful and offensive to God”, and states that “God created human beings as male or female”.
These are standard tenets of most Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious sects, with ample biblical/koranic support. Within mainstream religions, they’re not controversial beliefs.
It is not coincidental that we are seeing more frequent bold expressions of the more problematic aspects of these principles. They reflect the collision point between two irreconcilable perspectives: the right to be, and be accepted without discrimination as, whatever gender (or non-gender) and sexuality you are or identify as; the right to believe that gender and sexuality are fixed at birth and any deviance from that is a one-way ticket to hell.
Rather than argue which of these positions is correct, we need to consider which should be given priority over the other. That is the only way a society and its laws can navigate such conundrums.
Zreika asserted the right to refuse her labour to her employer on the grounds of not acting inconsistently with her faith. If her club or the AFLW tried to sanction her for doing so, she would say that was discriminatory and wrong.
Citipointe is likewise only asserting its beliefs, seeking to promote and protect them by ensuring that its students (and their parents) are fully on board with them. To a suggestion that it should not do so, it would claim the protection of religious freedom, and point out that nobody is forced to attend its school.
For the LGBTIQ+ players in Zreika’s club and the AFLW, and the LGBTIQ+ community more widely, Zreika’s act could only be read as a statement of her belief that their truth is false. That’s quite confronting, much as Zreika has been at pains to avoid any collateral harm.
For any LGBTIQ+ kids at Citipointe, there’s a more direct and hurtful message.
It all reminds me of Sally Rugg on Q&A back in 2019 on a panel which was politely discussing whether she, a lesbian, would be going to hell: “As if these words don’t mean things, and they don’t do things.” Of course they do. They hurt.
So I think, well, wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t keep telling LGBTIQ+ people, by words or actions that they’re doomed, or non-existent, or both? Particularly when a person’s gender or sexuality has absolutely no consequence for anyone else?
But that world doesn’t exist; the Bible and Koran say what they say, unchangingly, and people of religion will continue to believe that the world is binary and straight. And they will continue to insist on their right to assert and act on that belief, regardless of the consequences for others.
Society is not ready to condemn the religious belief set regarding LGBTIQ+ people, as we have previously condemned the religious practice of female genital mutilation or the religious practice of burning witches. This form of bigotry is not considered sufficiently harmful for that.
Which means that LGBTIQ+ people are required to continue to wear the slings and arrows that keep coming their way. We see no alternative, or rather we can’t face up to it.
That’s where our society’s priority lies: with religious belief over and above LGBTIQ+ dignity. It’s a choice.
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Does the so-called Christian school in Brisbane accept money from Canberra? If so , it has lost its right to discriminate. Menzies made that point when he first introduced state aid for church schools.
I would hazard a guess, Peter, that there is not a private school in the country…whether religious or otherwise…that DOES NOT receive government funding. Pity the government schools don’t get their fair share…needs based is a bad joke!
Au contraire, Peter, the Canberra loot comes gift-wrapped with generous rights to discriminate, to charge uncapped fees, to choose the brightest (or straightest) kids for the brand. No wonder Citipointe assumed every right to rub it in.
John Howard first started over-funding the church schools twenty years ago. Now, it is established bipartisan policy that they and not state schools are the preferred sector, and they are funded and “regulated” accordingly. Our colonial education forefathers would be turning in their graves. It would have been too much for Menzies.
I’d like to report that Labor fought this divisive and destructive system tooth and nail. But Gillard-Gonski actually legislated for it, and they invented the Orwellian nonsense of “needs based and sector blind”, which means of course “needs debased and sector vigilant”. When Tony Abbott came to power, Gillard had done the heavy lifting for him.
Plus ca change. ‘Twas Whitlam (not Menzies) started recurrent (not capital) funding for church schools. A fatal error.
“…wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t keep telling LGBTIQ+ people, by words or actions that they’re doomed…”
It would be great. But for as long as there are people who believe there is a hell where the souls of the damned go to be tormented for eternity it’s not that simple. Anyone who has that belief would surely want to warn anyone in danger of being damned, not out of malice but from compassion. Not saying anything would be like not warning someone when you see the house they are in is on fire. So, given a belief that the souls of LGBTIQ+ go to hell, not warning them about it and trying to save them from a fate of unimaginable horror would be dreadfully irresponsible and heartless, and no doubt a sin. From their point of view they say these things not to hurt but to help. Continuing the burning building metaphor, if you dragged someone from a burning building and saved their life, would it matter if they got a few bruises on the way out?
(Anyone unsure just how bad the Christian hell is supposed to be might read James Joyce’s Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man which includes a passage where a priest gives a memorable and thorough depiction of the fate of dammned souls.)
So I don’t see how those who have these beliefs can be persuaded to shut up for as long as they have these beliefs. It’s the beliefs that have to change. Good luck with that.
The trouble with this reasoning is that there are many other things in the bible that will send you to hell (apparently, I haven’t the stomach to attempt to read it). It seems that churches and the religious seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time on the LGBTIQ+ community; more than, dare I say, the pedophiles in their midst. I gather there is very little actually in the bible that directly condemns homosexuality, it’s mostly a matter of interpretation, and there is also stuff about tattoos and mixing clothing and stoning daughters etc. When the religious shout at the tattooed as loudly as they shout at LGBTIQ+ I will believe their objections are genuinely held (I still won’t agree with them though).
Yes, it’s not consistent. The Bible and similar books depend to a large extent on being open to endless interpretation thanks to endless ambiguity and even blatant contradiction. That’s not the point I’m making, which is about the belief, not the basis of the belief.
Having been written 1700+ hundred years ago I’m pretty sure you can take it as a given that the bible is against male homosexuality, infidelity and sex outside marriage.
But interestingly the old testament and other Jewish books dont forbid female homosexuality. I think pedophilia isnt mentioned, having been a taboo subject.
There are more verses in Leviticus prohibiting eating shellfish than prohibiting homosexuality, and then only men lying with men
I don’t understand how these bible bashers can carry on about other people’s business and then enjoy a feed of pork chops or calamari
Spose that is one of the reasons I’m going to hell
I tried reading it ( bible) lost the story line.
Think I might be going to hell, ahh well i guess i have a few friends down there..knowing my luck Scum Mo will be down there.
That would certainly be eternal torment!
‘ It seems that churches and the religious seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time on the LGBTIQ+ community; ‘
Frankly it is the sheer volume of media which the pro LGBTIQ+ obtains which is the ‘trouble’. I am just not interested in someone’s sexual inclinations (or their religion) as a primary part of their identity. Give me intelligence any day.
When joining the workforce at 15 I was told to steer clear on discussions of politics, sex and religion and its been good advice.
So all is doom and gloom then?
Many thanks for this objective and even-handed article Michael.
I am mightily impressed that, at least at Crikey, the behavior and beliefs of religions other than Christianity, are being called into question. This is indeed an encouraging and welcome development and I certainly hope that it continues.
I only began to realize just how very lucky I was to have been raised in an atheist household, when I became an adult. This meant that I was not psychologically burdened with the fear and guilt that seems to characterize the mindset of so many of those who suffer the misfortune to have been raised in deeply religious environments.
My attitude in relation to the LGBTIQ+ community is to just let them be and to treat them the same as we treat everyone else. However, I cannot treat religious dogma and superstition with any respect. I only regard it with outright contempt. Although I rarely say that to a believer’s face, especially under circumstances where that religious believer is in polite conversation with me.
If I am told by any religious believer that my atheism is a ‘one way ticket to hell’, I simply laugh at them and if they persist, then I will follow up my mirth with as much sarcasm and mockery as I can muster. As far as me being ‘hurt’ by their comments, the only ‘hurt’ that I would be likely to suffer, is hurting myself from laughing at the nonsense they so freely espouse.
Those people are simply more deserving of pity than condemnation. They most likely were brain-washed and indoctrinated from birth. To me, religious belief if a form of mental illness, embraced by those who simply cannot face the realities of life. For God’s sake, how could anyone take them seriously? (Irony well and truly intended!)
The true Christian belief is based on love and that we are ALL created in God’s image.
Sorry Pete, I have heard that line too many times to take it seriously. And Pete, I am sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you but there is NO God (with a capital G or lower case g). Although Pete, I have been convinced that God does exist, yes indeed, this fantasy exists in the imagination of the believer. Just as some of those in an insane asylum are, in their own minds Julius Caesar or Jesus Christ, etc.
Sorry Peter…there is only one problem with that statement. I believe that LGBTIQ+ people were ‘created’ at conception…so are you saying they are god’s mistakes???? Is that what you think any baby born with congenital abnormalities is…just a ‘god’ mistake? I feel sorry for you.
Pretty brave and idiotic thesis I would have thought!
As for this so-called ‘Christian’ college mentioned in the article. They can institute all the discrimination they can get away with…BUT NOT WITH TAXPAYER’S MONEY. If such schools want to act like this, then let them pay for it (pun intended)!
As an atheist, I am more than happy to be shown hard evidence that a god exists (hasn’t happened in my 80+ years, so far, and I’m not holding my breath)…let alone heaven, hell and all that other stuff and nonsense…so until then I feel quite safe in saying that ALL religions are figments of their adherents imaginations! So why should the rest of us have to put up with someone else’s feeble brainfarts?
Religion does MORE harm in this world…most wars are started/fought over it, for example…than just about any other fantasy imaginable!! If only we could ban it all!!!
Maybe next time check you read Peter’s comment correctly before unloading both barrels?
Along the lines of “he’s a loving god” that born agains will repeat endlessly and without blinking then real off all the trivial things God will send you to hell for. Such as not believing in him after the age of 12.
It seems to me that any religious school which demands the right to discriminate as described in this article must therefore be denied taxpayer funding. Might focus the attention somewhat. And sort the genuine from the judgemental. A basic Christian tenet is “Judge not …….”
“… must therefore be denied taxpayer funding” …
Totally agree with that but no chance in this case – a bit of googling indicated to me that they’re – wait for it (drum roll) – Pentecostal.
What would you say about a religion that believed in polygamy (polygyny or polandry). Is wider society allowed to discriminate against their lifestyle practices?
How do we adjudicate where one persons taboo is another’s freedom to live life as they wish?
The first phrase of the Apostles’ Creed is stark & purest blasphemy to some of the more excitable religious nutjobs in many SW suburbs.
It’s no different to us eating cows, whereas other consider them sacred. Or some eating cats, dogs or other pets. Vegans vs non vegans.
Ultimately society sets its rules using census. . Times change, society changes and so will what’s considered acceptable.
Surely civil society has got to a point where religion does not require protection, unless you’re a christian fraud like The Lair From the Shire. Society needs protection from religion.
If only we had a vaccine against religious delusion.
Or could enforce social exclusion from the public domain of sufferers?
Keep their manias indoors, after ensuring that children are not subject to the ravings.