The Russian flag hanging limply in the ambassador’s sprawling front yard is barely visible from the quiet suburban street. Behind overgrown hedges and a security fence, it marks the palatial residence where Alexey Pavlovsky, Moscow’s man in Canberra, has kept a low profile since Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on February 24.
Pavlovsky is a man isolated. Public opinion in Australia is fiercely opposed to Russia’s invasion. The Australian government has imposed sanctions. The ambassador hasn’t spoken to Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne since the invasion began. A planned address to the National Press Club was cancelled last week after a series of attacks on Ukrainian citizens.
In a rare and exclusive interview with Crikey, Pavlovsky says he wants a chance to break through to Australians. For nearly an hour he offers a barrage of Kremlin talking points, what-aboutery, and allegations of Western hypocrisy.
Sanctions on Russia, Pavlovsky says, amount to a “full-fledged economic war”. The invasion, he claims, is the fault of Western and Ukrainian aggression that put Russia at existential threat from its far smaller, weaker neighbour.
“I think Australians are very lucky people,” he said. “They are blessed. Living on a continent island they even cannot understand properly what is an existential threat [faced by Russia].”
Only hours before, Payne had followed US President Joe Biden and called Russia’s actions in Ukraine “war crimes”. The ambassador’s response was to point to Australia’s involvement in the war on terrorism.
“I find it strange that Australian government officials would jump on that bandwagon given the ADF record in Afghanistan,” he said.
What about Mariupol, the besieged port city where there have been widespread reports of civilian casualties? Where Russian shells have hammered a maternity hospital, and an art school where hundreds were sheltering?
Pavlovsky claims these (widely documented) atrocities are more evidence that the Australian media is complicit in an “information war” pushed by Ukrainian nationalists and designed to “make Russians look like trigger-happy people firing indiscriminately to exterminate Ukrainians”.
“Talking of Mariupol and of many other allegations, it’s not a matter for a brief interview to somehow refute these accusations,” he said. “It takes very specific work, analysing pictures, analysing information, trying to reconcile data.”
Instead he questions why Australian media didn’t cover an alleged Ukrainian missile attack on civilians in Donetsk, controlled by pro-Russian rebels. (Numerous international sources covered it but could not independently verify Russian or Ukrainian claims about the origins of the rockets.)
Nearly 1000 civilians have been killed in Ukraine, and two Associated Press journalists wrote a first-hand piece about being hunted down by Russian troops in Mariupol.
The ambassador denies Russia is against Ukraine: “We [Russians] never had any anti-Ukrainian feelings. To the contrary, there is a historic affinity, a cultural affinity, between our two peoples and many Russians have relatives or extended families or friends in Ukraine.”
Why then are Russian soldiers killing Ukrainians? Pavlovsky says it’s Ukraine’s and the West’s fault. He says the 2014 Euromaidan protests, where pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in a “coup”, and which triggered Russia’s annexation of Crimea, a “Western-backed coup”, part of NATO’s plan to turn Ukraine into a “tool to point at Russia”.
The last time Pavlovsky spoke to Australian media, back in January, he rubbished claims of an imminent invasion and accused the Morrison government of “fanning hysteria”. When asked about that he says the West gave Ukraine false hope of strength, and coerced Kyiv into rejecting diplomacy.
‘We gave another warning, again leaving the way for a diplomatic settlement … but again, the arrogant behaviour of Ukraine acting in effect as a proxy for Washington didn’t change,” he said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his country won’t join NATO. So what does Putin want, and how does this all end?
“A friendly, neighbourly country, where the rights of minorities are respected and guaranteed,” Pavlovsky said, rather ominously. “I also think that the future Ukraine should be free of the influence of neo-Nazi forces.”
The “de-Nazification” claim is one of Putin’s most egregious attempted justifications for the invasion. Ukraine, like Russia, has its share of far right groups. But Zelenskyy is Jewish, and genocide experts have condemned this claim.
Pavlovsky responds to the experts with: “Joseph Stalin was an ethnic Georgian and it didn’t prevent his ‘great terror’ from coming to his native Georgia to exterminate the whole Georgian intelligentsia. President Obama is African-American, which didn’t prevent him to go on military operations in the Third World.”
The ambassador is a man well-versed in delivering Putin’s icy threats in the warm, euphemistic language of diplomacy. Although the Morrison government, as part of the “collective West” didn’t surprise him with its sanctions, and will incur an “adequate response” from Moscow, he believes relations can be healed.
“I think personally that Russia’s relations with the West, including Australia, could be mended,” he said. “But I think that it will be for Russia an absolutely sober relationship from now on.”
However, as long as bombs continue to fall on Ukraine, Russia’s reputation will be irrevocably tainted by Putin’s invasion, no matter what the Kremlin and its proxies say.
Concerning the “existential” there is an interesting piece in COUNTER PUNCH 06 March
The Kremlin goes NeoCon by Eric Draitser
…In fact, a sober analysis of the situation reveals that Putin is, in fact, carrying out a mirror image of Bush and Cheney’s monstrous crime against humanity in Iraq. If anything, rather than being a demonic ghoul whose shadows creep along the Kremlin walls like Moscow’s Nosferatu, Putin was a careful student of modern imperial power who, like so many Russian leaders before him, merely copied the attitudes and tactics of the empires of the West.
Take, for instance, Putin’s justifications for his criminal aggression. Here’s the Russian president describing the “existential threat” (sound familiar?) posed by Ukraine:
In reading the transcript of Putin’s speech, one wonders if David Frum* has grounds to sue for plagiarism as it repeats, almost verbatim, the noxious talking points used by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other neocon criminals about an imminent threat of weapons of mass destruction from a country that has neither a nuclear weapons program, nor the requisite uranium enrichment program necessary to make a weapon…
Frum was the speech writer for Dubya, The Faux Texan who created the Axis of Evil speech.
This is the ‘whataboutery’ that the article mentions. I, and I assume many other Crikey readers, were appalled by the US and allies’ actions in Iraq. But two wrongs don’t make a right!
It’s more like six wrongs and one wrong.
Poisoning political opponents with nerve agents? Grozny? Ukraine? Syria? Decades-long lobbyist for dependency on fossil fuels? The NASHI youth movement: (the ultimate state projection: fascists posing as anti-fascists)?
Russia’s not alone in being bad, for sure. But it certainly wasn’t bad just the once.
I’m familiar with Dreitser, not sure how you have interpreted him (and he is not always correct) but he does not generally indulge in base ‘whataboutery’?
Putin &/or the Kremlin have form in making all manner of unsubstantiated claims through media (familiar?) for adoption by citizens in Russia, and people elsewhere; the latter as willing dupes and useful idiots (Joel Cohen wrote article in Guardian recently on how both left and right supported Putin, then disappeared).
Also includes former PM Keating on the old NATO chestnut, but one does not agree as there is a whole representative conga line of issues that can be used, like NATO, as rhetorical devices, gambits and deflection.
These include the EU, the ‘west’, US/UK, Anglo Saxons, etc. which represent the existential threats to Putin’s Russia of liberal democracy, open society, civil society, educated and empowered citizens; always something foreign or existential threat (real or imagined) for Russian leaders to whine about, Turkey is similar too (as are Australian nativist obsessions about refugees, immigrants & population growth to blunt fossil fuel constraints).
Better parallel with Putin’s oversight would be US (& Russian etc.) oligarchs, transnational networks of libertarian fossil fueled think tanks aka Koch Network, the nativist social policies of Tanton Network, Fox News, Russian (money) influence behind Brexit to leave the EU and Trump buddying up to Putin; meanwhile Koch industries and one assumes many donors in their network, continue to operate in Russia.
So, just confirming, how many bombs, bullets or missiles have NATO or any EU country fired into the Russian federation since their respect formations? Oh, none, really? How interesting. The Russian kleptocracy fear is of democracy, anti-corruption efforts, and the loss of power. Putin’s personal fear is of having to let go the reigns of power and security which age, health and time will demand of him. Men like Putin don’t retire to their dachas to fawn over the grandchildren and to relive old times with friends. They either die early or are killed quickly. Too many scores to be settled. Too many grievances festering. Too many untold stories in their heads that need to remain untold.
That’s very true Putin cannot leave unless he is in a box. So who will replace him, in the short term probably no one with his popularity rating currently at 80% in Russia.
Alex Navalny, perhaps? Popular? Hmmm. I guess Stalin was popular too.
Alex Navalny isn’t popular in Russia with 3to4% of the vote.
Not Russia but NATO dropped quite a few bombs, bullets and missiles into Serbia/Bosnia that’s for sure!
It’s not quite that simple. There were grudges and ‘pay back’ all over that war (dating back to WW1/2), plus ongoing Islamic genocide. Messy and a tragedy all around to be sure, but NATO was able to get involved and actually stop the slaughter without getting involved in another world war. Not the case here.
Strange how the death of over 13000 civilians and combatants as well as widespread devastation in the breakaway republics in the Ukraine conflict prior to the recent escalation never raised much more than a yawn.
The man disgraces his profession.
What a profession- only slightly above lawyers.
Is Joe Hockey and Arthur Sinodinos better?
“A diplomat is an honourable person sent abroad to lie for the good of their country.” with apologies to Sir Henry Wotton for upwoking his 1604 nonPC observation.
It appears that Rand Corporation advocated an approach to the USA in 2019 to use Ukraine to destabilize Russia for the benefit of the US (and arms sales of course)
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
Yes, lex, all out in the open, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.
And here’s Biden in 1997, when he understood what he pretends not to understand now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYJHDtEvzWw
Have you actually read the article? The article is titled ‘Overextending and Unbalancing Russia Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options’ and you interpreted (something in) the article as:
‘Rand Corporation advocated an approach to the USA in 2019 to use Ukraine to destabilize Russia for the benefit of the US’?
Really? There’s little if anything that supports your claim?
Yes I have. I would ask you the same question “Have you actually read the report?”. The report written by the Army Research Division of Rand Corporation for the US DoD. It assessed the best ways to extend and destabilize Russia including multiple different approaches using NATO, Ukraine (including lethal aide), Russia’s image, sanctions and every other option imaginable to destabilize Russia for the benefit of the United Snakes of Amerika.
Where in the report, which I have read, is your interpretation reflected? You seem to be expressing frustration on behalf of Putin?
Not expressing frustration at anything. Can’t you even work out why the report was written and what a Cost/Benefit analysis is?
Seems you are clutching at straws.