What message are readers and viewers supposed to take from Magda’s Big National Health Check and associated articles, such as that from public health expert Dr Sandro Demaio at the ABC today, with the bizarre title “Why it’s becoming nearly impossible to be healthy in Australia”.
I’m not here to criticise Magda Szubanski (big fan, etc). And I know I’ve got my own baggage on all this, having been attacking the “nanny state” and “paternalists” pretty much since I arrived at Crikey. Using such terms, I recognise, is likely not the best way to win hearts and minds, so I’ll leave them at the door from now on.
That’s because there’s a lot to unpick and unpack here and it follows no set ideological path. In fact this is the ideological equivalent of crazy paving.
The message from Demaio is that individual decision-making on health is near meaningless. “It’s easy to think this is a failure of individual willpower, on a macro scale,” he says about Australians’ health. “When it comes to our personal health, the cards are stacked against us in Australia. At almost every point throughout our day, things make it harder for us to be healthy — and easier for us to increase our disease risk.”
Why exactly Demaio thinks “the cards are stacked against us in Australia” is unclear. Australians are the eighth-longest-lived people on the planet — 24 places above Denmark, which Demaio champions as an example to copy. We’ve just come through a global pandemic with one of the lowest death rates in the world. Yet somehow the cards “are stacked against us”.
It’s true that for particular groups, such as Indigenous Australians, the cards are very much “stacked against them”, and it shows in their much lower longevity and poorer health outcomes. But the blanket claim that it’s impossible to be healthy in Australia — which an ABC subeditor, not Demaio, probably made — is absurd on its face.
To return to Demaio’s point, and that advanced by Liam Mannix in a recent article (also featuring Szubanski), individual choice is more or less unrelated to health outcomes — it’s all down to social and economic pressures, towards, in the words of Mannix, “our food and exercise choices — away from health foods and towards highly processed, highly profitable junk”.
“Some scientists are sceptical we are truly making ‘choices’ at all,” he intones darkly.
Let’s leave aside Mannix’s peculiar argument that suggests more exercise isn’t the answer because you just eat more, and concentrate on the message from both him and Demaio — that we’re all hapless victims of capitalism in the shape of food companies, or big sugar, or big soda, that render us incapable of exercising free will (although Demaio suggests “there are things we can each do at home to rebalance the deck of cards”, so plainly individual choice does work).
The only answer, they suggest, is government intervention to help people make the right decisions for their health. What are those interventions? Bans on advertising are mentioned by Demaio, but we know the standard line from the public health lobby — they want food taxes, restrictions on additives, better labelling along with curbs on advertising for products they disapprove of.
(There’s a welcome element of Marxism in all this, by the way: it’s the historical forces of materialism dictating our health, not the capitalist fiction of individual choice, and if not a revolution, then we at least need strong government action to help.)
But what is this interventionist, big government answer for? Better health outcomes, obviously. But who does that benefit, especially when Australians are already among the longest-lived people on the planet? The economy benefits: workers are more productive and take less time off for health reasons and they impose less burden on the taxpayer via the healthcare system.
There’s no overall economic loss from consuming less — that forgone expenditure will simply be redirected elsewhere in the economy, to other discretionary spending. More productive workers, healthier consumers, less demand on the taxpayer.
That is, this government interventionism is in aid of achieving the very traditional neoliberal economic ends of minimising government spending and maximising productivity for business.
This is the deepest underpinning of every public health expert and every health academic, most of whom would probably regard themselves as progressives fighting against predatory, exploitive capitalism: they are serving a neoliberal agenda.
Don’t eat too much, don’t drink too much, stay healthy, maximise your economic capacity and your role as a producer and consumer, for the good of the economy. It’s economic puritanism.
Except the grim truth is that so many of us eat too much, or drink too much, or take recreational drugs, or find other things to consume to numb ourselves, because we find late-stage capitalism so intolerable, because we find the demands to be a perfect worker and consumer and citizen and partner and parent and child too much, because we can’t see the point because the material and mental benefits of all that are illusory and transient.
Indeed, being told that if you don’t drink too much and don’t eat too much you’ll get an extra couple of years in your 80s is a thought that would fill some people with horror.
Where this all ends up is at the medicalisation of the basic problem of existence.
By the lights of the public health lobby, literally everything you do, every choice you make, is some kind of medical problem: you don’t eat the right things, you drink too much, you take drugs, you don’t exercise enough, your posture is bad, your mental habits undermine you, the way you parent is passing on problems to your kids, you’re not communicating well enough with your partner, you’re making people feel unhappy in the workplace with your language. The only solution is medically determined intervention to shape your choices to ends productive for the economy and society.
In the end what the public health lobby offers is no less bleak than the predatory world of capitalism that will sell you what makes you sick and flog you the cure over and over: a world where you are an eternal patient that needs to be treated, encouraged, nudged, cajoled and pushed to be the perfect economic and social unit. And you won’t feel the slightest bit better.
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Hi Bernard. An interesting line of thinking. The one aspect you didn’t include though is how much better people feel when they are fit and healthy. Better mood, resilience, and inner feeling of strength. That’s a worthy aim I think – irrespective whether it’s all a neo liberal con – or not.
both of those things require realistic goals. for some people maintaining weight , i.e not gaining, is the only realistic goal
The guilt and shame – the stigma- inflicted on people who aren’t able to be paragons of health and beauty, though, is horrific. People with trauma, for example, who self harm or (frequently worse in societies eyes) self medicate are denigrated and ostracised by the healthy humans and for what?All users of mind altering substances are simply engaged in zoopharmacognacy. Recognising the basic humanity of those who can’t or won’t remain “sober”, seems to be a problem for the majority of health advice abiding citizens.
Magda herself has been speaking out about this recently, claiming that things like “fat shaming” is more common and vicious now, than we she first became a celeb
The majority of obese people like Magda do not have to be massive tubs of lard. We know that from history. America has exported it’s awful diet to the rest of the world and the rest of the world has devoured it. This has likely caused more deaths than Covid and is supported by the fact tens of thousands of people die each month from obesity related causes in the Us.
Thyroid problems.
Asthmatics requiring steroids.
Insulin therapy for Type 1 Diabetes
Long term injury that reduces mobility.
Living in a food desert where access to fresh, whole foods is near impossible or so expensive it’s out of reach for anyone on low incomes.
There are any number of factors for obesity, it’s not just about what someone eats.
There’s another side to being fit and healthy that is often not honestly acknowledged, which is the neuroses that comes with constantly making ‘good’ choices and beating yourself up when you don’t. As someone who has been a fairly serious athlete in the past I can attest that feeling great physically does not necessarily mean you’re in a good place mentally. And I think the self-improvement mentality and constantly ratcheting up nature of public health advice can actually be quite destructive.
I’m not surprised by the levels of depression / anxiety in athletes that are continually fighting with their minds screaming at them to stop. But we make this heroic to push through.
Or the neurosis with obsessing over following the newest and latest “health” fad or food.
When it reaches an unhealthy stage I believe the obsessiveness of eating too healthy (avoiding all sugar, avoiding all cards, the list goes on and on) is called orthorexia. Focused on quality of food rather than quantity.
BK hinted at, but didn’t quite bullseye what I see as society’s biggest issue (and reason some ppl groan at the thought of an extended life) – lack of connection.
Our lack of connection means we face issues alone, without support and understanding, which is enormously detrimental to mental health. Being physically fit will help improve mental health somewhat, but it’s a small step. Being involved in your community, living with friends as neighbours, having a support network close by and being able to share your biggest problems with them – plus having the time to spend hours every single day with your kids – these will help our society’s health far more than physical fitness.
Read a good article on that the other day, where a lack of deep connection seems to be a particularly male thing. Women are much better at forming more and deeper friendships.
Yes! Back when I trained, we were taught that 80% of what ails people has suppressed emotions at its root. There’s so many more physical causes in modern life, that I see that percentage reduced somewhat, but still waaaayyy over 50 %. The proof of that is in our results with even serious illness. And yes I agree Johan, the way we experience our connection with others is a big part of the problem. It’s one of the reasons I feel so strongly about the divisiveness of adversarial politics and the demonisation of others. It’s ourselves that we’re hurting with all that pent up unresolved emotional upset – it has a very real physical effect on our bodies.
Thanks, thought-provoking. I think I need a drink.
Agreed with great majority but the claim that maximising productivity is the “deepest underpinning of every public health expert” is an outlandish claim—an exaggeration that undermines the other valid points. Tell me there aren’t plenty who, I don’t know, want people to live well with minimal suffering with their family and community, want to push back against foul environmental degradation which makes our lives and health worse. A flaw in an otherwise refreshing critique of the medicalisation of existence.
I think the regular public framing of healthcare discussions around the positive economic benefits of treating/avoiding disease began around the 1970’s. In part, I think it was a ploy to attract funding to particular problems like heart disease and cancer by relevant interest groups (eg, disease X costs the economy $Y, therefore treating/preventing it will save $$$ – and for good measure we should devote $$$$ to research it). But the increasing influence of health economists has also played a part – not necessarily to the benefit of anyone.
Yes, economic rationalism has a lot to answer for – but more around the 1980s. So-called cost/benefit analysis has been accepted as the only credible approach to anything and everything. I have long suspected economists of being totally superfluous to requirements.
In some measure I excuse politicians for causing health care sectors to provide economic rationales as when there isn’t enough money to provide for all needs they need to be prioritized.
Well yes I had some thoughts provoked as well and I think that ended up in irritable brain syndrome. Never mind we all have to go sometime. However on my way out I just want to say that I think Bernard is being terribly cynical about the whole thing and that this public health initiative is not all about having healthier and more robust work units but rather healthier, happier people, families and yes, less of a burden on an overwhelmed healthcare system. As to Australians being more long-lived well that is our parents generation. There is data that Gen Xers and those younger might not do as well in terms of longevity and diabetes is a big contributor to that.
There are structural issues around our health and lifestyle problems and recognising these does not mean people are divested of their personal responsibility.
Well said!
Spot on. In a busy World where finding time to read Crikey is demanding enough, but when confronted wit IT advertising interferences and nuisance telephone calls let alone the ubiquitous appointment confirmations.
Yes I would like some simple VERY short explanations of what is in foods and what foods have a negative effect upon my health. But then every time a look up something it is like reading a Rundle article.
Last night I looked up foods that relate to prostrate enlargement but gave up as the reading time was interfering with my trips to accommodate the complaint.
Oops got to go. Must remember not to laugh otherwise accident may result. LOL
I laughed with your humor Maroochy, tho’ sorry to hear about your discomfort. Look up “eliminate soy” for your complaint. It’s an oestrogen mimicking plant that’s used in a gobsmacking number of products that you would never think of, so you need to be diligent in looking at food labeling in order to eliminate it. There’s been talk in alternative health circles about this for decades.
The trick is planning our meals and food intake around NOT having to spend our time reading labels at the supermarket when we barely have time to shop in the first place. Unless it’s a minimally or wholly unprocessed food like nuts, or rice, or lentils, chances are it might be best avoided. The longer the ingredient list on a label, the more it should be avoided (unless it’s made up of unprocessed foods – like a trail mix).
But cooking from scratch every night of the week when you’ve worked all day so you’re already exhausted and you have kids to organise is sometimes a hurdle too high to leap. So people get convenience food because it’s fast and cheap… at least at the time of purchase. It becomes costly in the long run to our health.
I’m not surprised people are “quiet quitting” because it’s got to a stage for many that we want to work to live, not live to work.
Interesting. Of course the odds are stacked against us: no matter what we each do to stay healthy, the probability of death remains one. But that is trite. More usefully, there is a deep contradiction between the old enlightenment ideal (Locke, J. S. Mill etc.) where each of us is a fully informed adult who can freely think and act for ourselves, and all that has been found by psychology and related research about the ways we can be manipulated, deceived and directed. The latter techniques are exploited to the maximum possible with varying degrees of malice against the public every day by a wide variety of persons, including bodies corporate. The techniques are rapidly improving.
I agree with Keane’s conclusion that this puts us in “a world where you are an eternal patient”, but replace “patient” with “livestock”. Those in positions of power relate to the general public exactly as a farmer does to farm animals. Some farmers choose to treat their animals well, other farmers are incompetent and neglectful and the worst farmers are cruel and vicious. All the effort being made for the animals’ health, as described in the article, suggest the first sort of farmer, the sort who closely monitors the animals, weighs and measures them, lets them exercise and treats them with antibiotics. But still it is done because it is in the farmer’s interest to have healthy, productive and docile animals. The public’s views on what sort of life it wants are not relevant.
I have a glib description for what you are describing, as many in the US use, ‘eugenics’.
It’s related to class and power but less about race nowadays; see UK Tories.
Local examples are blaming post white Oz immigrants for population growth impacting the environment but ignoring fossil fuels, and promoting the ‘trickle down effect’ as grounded economic theory….
Mannix’s “peculiar argument” that exercising more is not the cure for obesity, because your basal metabolic rate declines and your appetite increases is not a “peculiar argument”. It’s actually what the science shows. The “It’s all your own fault, you just need more willpower to eat less and move more” is actually the peculiar argument. It’s fatist. And it’s wrong. If it worked there would be far fewer obese people, because doctors have been prescribing it for decades now, and all we have are more obese people.
So it’s not what we need to combat the obesity epidemic (and it is an epidemic).
Yes. Bernard did not mention the big O word! In fact, it is rarely mentioned these days. It seems like the health experts/nutritionists/ AMA, etc. have given up; beaten into submission by the massive power of the of the food & beverage industries, and aided and abetted by the former LNP Govt. In every area of the country, in workplaces, schools, at any event where people gather in numbers either one in three or two in five is obese.
This was not the case in the early 1990’s- it has become so since then. Surely there still needs to be an honest debate about this issue? The costs, in every sense, the impacts the despair and practicalities of what is rightly called an ‘epidemic’!! Is it an individual choice to be obese???
There are actually ‘fat activists’ who claim that obesity is not their fault – when one hears that excuse the implied corollary is that someone else is to blame.
Like Norm is those ads in the late 70s Life!TooTough ads, he just had large belly bones.
I’ve no idea what a dollop of predigested junk food costs but an apple is cheaper.
Not necessarily someone else to blame as they may mean genetics. gut flora etc
Ever the apologia, excuses, evasions and irrelevancies rather than reality.
Reality includes genetics and gut flora. Eg https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180212100618.htm and many similar studies.
No it is correct, if you eat less and move more you will lose weight.
No one said it was easy, however self control or discipline is no longer a trait society respects.
It is so much easier to blame someone else.
Lot of that about.
Not just fatties but so many seem to (imagine that they) have a problem which is nothing at all to do with their own behaviour.
It’s true for the short-term. Unfortunately most studies on interventions are not very long .
Not overeating is not a short term fix but a long term life-style choice, as as are sloth & gluttony.
You clearly haven’t bothered to look at how people’s bodies respond to weight loss.
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I’m not so sanguine about the “After all, we’re already pretty long-lived” argument. There’s a school of thought that we’ve reached peak longevity, because people now are fatter and have other lifestyle health problems. And whether it would please some sinister ruling class or not, we’d have better lives without those conditions.
Yep. Being long-lived might just mean spending more years towards the end of life dealing with increasing health problems.
The risk of cancer increases with age. Having a healthy lifestyle can help but it’s no guarantee against it.