For as long as I’ve been alive, feminism has sought to empower women, to make them feel they can do and be anything they want.
But lately a focus on callout culture and online trolling has brought a number of damaging stereotypes about female fragility to the fore in ways that are profoundly undermining the independence and resilience we need to complete our journey towards full equality.
Take a recent discussion on trolls and social media from two young women on ABC’s Q+A (to make it more readable, I’ve cleaned up the ums, ahs and other verbal tics in the transcript).
Woman 1: We all probably get trolled on our socials. For me, it’s the times that I’ve spoken out about certain things that people, you know, don’t agree with, but things that need to be said… [and] people say some really vicious things … Female presenters that I respect [have left] Twitter … because the trolling has got so bad that they’re constantly told that they shouldn’t exist and all these awful things.
Woman 2: Ultimately, what we’re trying to do is just go about our day [and] do our job. We are … public figures, but that shouldn’t stop us from … having an Instagram … I’m trying to do something good with my platform and create a safe space … And then you … get a bit of this hate and … trolling … [like] “Are you going to try and kill yourself again?” with a laughing emoji … They have no idea how much damage they are doing.
There is a lot to be unpacked in this exchange, most importantly the nature of the posts that have left these women, and the female presenters mentioned, so distressed. The truth is that unless the posts are described or left up — which is often not the case to avoid amplification — it’s hard to determine what’s being described as “foul”, “vile”, “disgusting”, “dangerous”, “unacceptable”, “bullying”, “harassment”, “misogynist”, “harmful”, “unsafe”, “attacks” and “abuse”.
However, from what we do know, the posts that upset these women — some to the point of closing the account and leaving the platform — range from the deranged response to a woman’s public suicide at one extreme to critiques of how the woman does her job on the other, with sexist, sexualised or unkind insults of her physical appearance in between. Rarely, there are also credible threats of violence that — just like their analogue counterparts — cross the line and should be immediately reported to police.
Given this, is calling it out and/or leaving the platform the right response?
While I’m loathe to judge the choices other make, from a feminist standpoint I’m confident it’s not. Women have fought long and hard to have a seat at the table in all areas of public life, and they shouldn’t give it up without a fight. But with the privilege of a public profile also comes some obligations. These include wearing legitimate criticism of what you did or how you did it from other experts and from the thinking part of your audience, and expecting crude insults of the way you look, talk or dress by the random mads, bads and sads who are tuned in, too.
To suggest that women should have all the benefits of public exposure but none of the downsides is unrealistic and entitled.
To model — through hyperbolic finger-pointing at negative posts and shutting down accounts — that the less salutary side of the bargain can’t be borne, is to both demonstrate and validate the claims of emotional fragility that the patriarchy has used to lock women out of the public conversation for so long.
As suffragette Harriet Taylor Mill wrote in 1851, the patriarchy has a way of “set[ting] afloat” ideas about what femininity requires that women “under their dominion” catch and “imbibe”. The most powerful of these is that a woman’s job is to please, to bring men pleasure by how we look and avoid their displeasure by saying or doing what they don’t like.
Fragility is a direct outgrowth of trying to please others and feeling a failure when you can’t. To be a feminist is to resist such passive and self-abnegating outlooks and adopt more robust strategies for affirming who we are and what we’re here to do with our lives. It is to rid ourselves of people-pleasing as a meaningful life objective, and develop a more self-sufficient sense of regard or what is known in common parlance as being our own best friend.
Finally, because self-esteem has a social aspect to it, it is also to refuse to put one’s self-confidence, sense of mastery, life goals or even day-to-day feelings in the hands of randos on the internet and to instead seek support, feedback and constructive criticism only from trusted colleagues, family and friends.
Both of the women on Q+A are right. Women need to stay on the platforms, because we are entitled to be there and because future generations of women need us to be there — and everywhere — where public opinion is expressed, discussions are had, and power is trafficked.
And we can do it. By expecting criticism and responding reasonably to those who make it, by using tools unavailable in real life to block and delete and — most potently — to ignore those who get in our way. Because what was true of the bullies and beasts of yesteryear remains true of those trolling the internet today. They enjoy the attention. That’s why they do it.
Which means that if we stop making it so satisfying to insult us — including by bemoaning the misery it causes — the number of trolls will lessen or, in my 30-year experience as a feminist columnist and abortion rights activist, largely fade away.
As a 75-year-old male, I have never, at any stage of my life, ever, been able to understand why some individuals who possess the same gender as I, behave in the way described in this article. It has always remained a mystery to me. There are good women and there are bad women in exactly the same way that there are good males and bad males. Naturally, I have always considered females to be different, (a key cause of that difference is the fact that they most commonly possess two x-chromosomes in each cell (excluding mature erythrocytes) while us blokes possess an x- and a y-chromosome instead).
I was absolutely appalled and embarrassed during the height of the COVID pandemic outbreak when I heard that some of those brilliant professional and scientific (female) experts who appeared regularly on our television screens to give us updates and advice on how to best cope with this pandemic, were being subjected to the kind of abuse that we read about here. To me, it was beyond comprehension. It says something very telling though about the sort of people we have in this society. The sort of people responsible for this behavior are social excrement of the first order and should be treated accordingly.
I think some men resent women having power, which they feel should belong only to men.
I don’t understand why though Woop. I have had female bosses for probably half my working life. It has never bothered me. Without wanting to sound frivolous, I have also been married twice. A (now deceased) mate of mine used to have a fridge magnet in his kitchen that read:
“I am the boss of this household – I know – my wife told me.”
I tend to take this male/female thing with a ‘grain of salt’. What Leslie is describing in this article is another matter completely.
‘LC’, sorry.
“Given this, is calling it out and/or leaving the platform the right response?
While I’m loathe to judge the choices other make, from a feminist standpoint I’m confident it’s not.”
As a feminist, I think it’s important for each woman to make a decision that best suits her.
Crikey’s various responses to feminism is fascinating. At one end of the spectrum is an author who complains about my feminism because I’m no longer a feminist who works on a factory line or shop floor or
as a waitress, but a feminist who spent many years studying part-time while working those jobs to join a “minor” profession for the final twenty years of my working life, and that violence against women has reached a point of inelasticity. At the other end an author is telling me that I must front up to vile trolls or I’ve let the sisterhood down.
My life has shown me that feminism looks different to different women. I got sick of vile trolls a while ago so took myself off Twitter. I don’t think I let other women down when I did that. I still support women in other ways such as through my volunteer work and I still challenge patriarchy on a frequent basis. Other women I know don’t do those things but duke it out on Twitter, but I don’t think they’re letting anyone down.
One of the great benefits for women and men from feminism so far is that more of us have more choices about how we can be “our best selves”. It’s fascinating and that both women and men criticize people for that in the name of feminism. And it’s more evidence that we have a long way to go before women can just “be”.
In my view, there is so template for being a feminist, never was and never will be.
Men need to do better and be better. Call out that acquaintance that you know engages in this sort of BS.
I wrote a comment to this article that may not have survived moderation (it did contain one of my pet Grundle peeves and it was several paragraphs long so I’ll try to re-word it).
I’m finding being a feminist a bit of a weird experience at the moment. In the last month of reading the articles and comments here, my feminism has been challenged because I made it off the factory/shop/restaurant floor and into a low level professional position. Apparently I can be a feminist as the former but not the latter. I can’t be a feminist because I don’t attack trans women, and now I’m not a real feminist because I’m fed up with misogynistic trolls and left Twitter.
We really are struggling to let women offer the best they have to give. When will we realise that each woman is different and will contribute to feminism in the way that is most meaningful to her?
Yet…you continue to give the best you have to give online, Woke Woman. At its best, someone online (even me) might say: ‘That’s an exceptionally good ‘offered best’, Woke Woman‘. At its worst, the worse thing that might happen is that….your ‘offered best’ might get Moderated into oblivion. At its second worst, someone like me might say ‘Oh, Woke Woman, that is a load of bilge.‘ I might even be a bit rude (albeit with my usual brilliant, hilarious, harmless charm). Upvotes or downvotes, it’s all just…other people’s subjective words.
Is that really such a struggle? If it is, it’s clearly one you’re demonstrably capable of transcending. Which is – objectively – an exceptionally good ‘offered best’. So please…don’t stop. And certainly not on account of anything I might offer as my offered best. I may be dead wrong, but I’m p-r-e-t-t-y sure you don’t post here to either impress – much less please – the likes of me. 🙂
Or so I would hope! Wrmst rgds!
I don’t understand.
I’m saying that your own continuing contributions to public debate and conversations, always well considered, well articulated and interesting even to those of us who disagree with your views, and regardless of how weird (or worse) a feminist experience it may at times feel to you, demonstrates that at least are not at all struggling to offer your best, and have it considered on its merit in open pluralist discourse.
You’re here, you’re heard, you’re having your fair go, Woke. It’s not easy; it’s not always fun; it’s occasionally very bracing. But you’re still here, still offering your best, and that’s a very good thing. And also, especially in the context of this article and thread, a very good example to other, younger women.
Hi WW,
I know that we have not always seen ‘eye-to-eye’ on every issue but I just wanted to lend my support (for what it is worth) to your comments on this occasion. I think that you have made a number of very good points. I think that it is important to be able to read your point of view here at Crikey (even when it is at odds with mine – perhaps especially when it is at odds with mine). Keep up your great work!
unfortunate headline putting the onus back onto the group NOT THE TROLL BRIGADE – i reckon some enlightenment and education