Victoria has outlawed the swastika. The Nazi salute is next. Will brown shirts follow?
The criminal law is the bluntest instrument a state or territory government has for enforcing acceptable social norms. Because its consequences are dire for anyone caught on the wrong side of whichever line it draws, we should always step with extreme care. Too often, governments don’t.
The announcement by Victoria’s Attorney-General Jaclyn Symes that her government will legislate to ban the Nazi salute followed quickly on the heels of the small group of black-clad fuckwits who paraded outside Victoria’s Parliament House at the weekend, adding their support to the current hatred-du-jour, transphobia.
True, they looked like a particularly poorly rehearsed dance troupe as they marched for the cameras, arms outstretched at various angles in their pathetic attempt at a Heil Hitler. But Nazis are never laughable, and these men are — make no mistake — proto-Nazis. Their spectacle, though small, was almost as intolerable as some police officers’ evident enthusiasm for protecting them from the far larger crowd of trans activists.
Last December Victoria moved to make public displays of the Nazi swastika — technically, as the legislation sets out in painful detail, the Hakenkreuz or “crooked cross”, to distinguish it from the ancient swastika symbol used in the Buddhist, Hindu and Jain religions and much later co-opted by the Nazis — a criminal offence. This followed NSW’s move to do the same in August 2022.
Tasmania, Western Australia and the ACT are following suit, and Queensland has said its law is going to even include swastika tattoos. It’s fair to say that the conversation about swastika displays is over, although its speed — and the lack of any debate — was a bit surprising given Australia had resisted any such move for so many decades on the basis of free speech.
Victoria’s announcement likewise suggests there’s no need for a conversation before it becomes a crime to give a stiff-arm salute in public. But really there is, even if we think we already know how it will end.
The governing principle of the common law was always that human freedom is a default; any legal impingement on it must be properly justified by a higher and greater need. That remains the best way to think about it, because it forces us (and our governments) to avoid knee-jerk reactions.
It is easy to justify criminalising actions that cause direct physical or material harm, such as assault, theft or fraud. The balance of rights is obvious: one person’s personal safety and property rights trump another’s freedom to violate them.
We have always accepted that words and gestures can cause harm too, in some cases such that it is appropriate to make them unlawful. Some of these used to be uncontroversially criminal but are no longer banned because we’ve moved on — blasphemy and lèse-majesté are classic examples.
At the same time, as society’s attitudes have evolved, many things that were once openly tolerated, such as racial vilification and other hate speech targeting minorities, have become targets of the law. We recognise that words can hurt their targets in a direct way, so much that it is fair to apply legal consequences to their deployment.
More importantly, we also recognise that malign actions and words sit at the beginning of a continuum that can lead to seriously evil ends. The Nazis started with rhetoric and street marches, and ended with genocide. We allow their political descendants, no matter how pig ignorant and pathetically stupid they may be, to prosper at our collective peril.
And of course there’s history. Words and symbols carry meaning, weight, consequence. Every time a swastika is displayed or a Heil Hitler is made, we are confronted with the memory of the worst human-inflicted catastrophe of all history, the one we must never allow to be repeated in even the slightest degree.
So there is a solid case for bringing the blunt force of the criminal law to bear on the performative trimmings of Nazism, because nobody does these things accidentally and without some understanding of the evil they are play-acting; the harm is not theoretical but real.
Are tiki torches next? And brown shirts, or the outfit of American neo-Nazis’ choice, the polo shirt and khaki pants? The answer to the last one is awkward, since it’d take out the wardrobes of so many Young Liberals, but the question of clothing clearly illustrates the problem of where to draw the line. It might be justifiable to outlaw SS uniforms, or at least the death’s head insignia, but if our local Nazis keep recruiting and start marching in distinctive uniform attire of any kind — clown suits, even — then the law may need to respond.
My point is that there is nothing inherent in any word, gesture or symbol that can justify its prohibition. It is only the baggage that history has attached to it that renders it dangerous. The law, consequently, must be applied with extreme care, mindful of unintended consequences and ready to be moderated or withdrawn if and when the danger has passed.
We should always — media, politicians and punters — be prepared to have these conversations in the open, before we rush to ban.
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I’m with Mel Brooks here — Nazi wannabes should always be laughed at. They want our respect and fear, so they should be laughed at
Maybe instead of banning them, a really tough interviewer could reduce them to a humiliating spluttering incoherence. Or alternatively, deprive them altogether of “the oxygen of publicity.”
Nice idea, but they won’t even show their faces, so I doubt they would agree to an interview.
Just cowardly bullies really
They don’t want their mothers to find out that they hang out with other cowards.
I’ve long felt that Nazifascists have only become an active nuisance since everyone ceased to laugh at them. I daresay I am in a minority on this, as the current CORRECT LINE appears to be that making fun of people is non-inclusive and disrespectful, and hence ideologically unsound; the proper reaction is to pull a very long face, Call them Out by issuing yet another Condemn form of which they can be guaranteed not to take the slightest notice, and then use them as a convenient stick with which to beat other progressives with whom you happen to disagree (cf. the old Stalinist trope of “objectively pro-Fascist” applied to Trots, anarchists, democrats and the non-Stalinist Left in general).
Maybe laugh at them on the outside jengz, but do not take your eyes off them for one moment.
Yes, it took a while for people to understand “Hitler in Springtime” with snot stuck to his mustache and a limp wrist.
I laughed so hard.
Surely ironic Nazi salutes can’t be banned?
Imagine a protest where normal people are complaining about an official who’s been acting a bit like a Nazi, so they salute an effigy of him or something. If this law covers that, then it’s definitely overreach.
I thought about that too. Best to resort to the two finger salute and an up yours in those particular situations..
The law also may catch my favourite mockery, NAZI iconography as feedstock for leatherboy regalia.
I’m not defending anyone’s right to make offensive gestures, but banning the ‘Nazi salute’ (good luck to the parliamentary drafter given the task of defining the substantive criminal act) is only going to make the so-called neo-Nazi protestors even more convinced of the integrity of their cause (as nebulous as that presumably is).
Also, contemporary popular accounts of WWII/Nazi/holocaust seem to increasingly ignore the interplay of historical/social/economic/political factors that underpinned the rise of Nazism in Germany. It was far more complex and nuanced than a combination of ‘some bad people who did bad things who weren’t stopped by all the good people who should have known it was bad’ and visible symbols (salutes, rallies, symbols).
I would like to see some effort put in to understand just what is prompting these loathsome creatures to come out of the woodwork right now. They seem to be becoming increasingly emboldened in their public appearances.
What is it about contemporary society that these people find so abhorrent that did not obtain say 10 or 20 years ago, that causes them to embrace an ideology that is so despised by the vast majority?
Will there be an attempt to ‘de-radicalize’ these right-wing extremists as is (apparently) the case with Muslim extremists? Will the same amount of sympathy and understanding be shown to these extremists as is shown (by some, and I emphasize some) for the Muslim extremists? Anything that even smells of a nascent Nzai (do I really need to do this?) movement should be taken extremely seriously and all reasonable attempts taken to ‘nip it in the bud’.
Why hasn’t Peter Dutton called these pig-ignorant losers out? Is it because the Liberal party rely on their votes?
PS – They look ridiculously foolish.
Because he’s competing with One Nation for their vote and he thinks there are more votes in support of it than concerned about it.
Good question Gabrielle. Dutton could only increase his public standing by doing what you suggest (and what I would applaud).
‘They’ may look ‘foolish’ but these characters are the real ‘right’ and should never, (and I mean never) be underestimated.
Good question; also has PM Albo condemned the Nazism yet?
Because they have a louder voice, thanks to technology (social media) and the willingness of conservatives (who, despite their paranoia and persecution complexes, dominate the political and media establishments) to play the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” game in their culture wars.
No chance. Too much “friendly fire”. Eg: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too
Thanks for posting that link dr. That is always the kind of material that I am interested in knowing about. The way that Twitter treats IS propaganda is certainly in marked contrast to the way that white supremacist propaganda is dealt with. The influence of the right-wing Republicans in America is a major worry (I would suggest globally and not just in the U.S.)
You make some fair points in your post dr. Thanks for that. This is the sort of exchange that I am always happy to engage with in a positive way.
I wonder if banning ISIS propaganda also blocks some Islamist politicians? If Republican polliticans views are so extreme as to respresent white supremacy, maybe they should be removed from twitter. The fact that they aren’t is probably partly a lack of courage, and partly because the type of people who are in charge at twitter are the targets of islamic extremism, but usually not of white supremists.
Have you heard of Google Scholar? You can use it to search the research literature on this topic. You will turn up results that link you to research that is freely available and research you have to pay to access.
Just use your favourite search engine to find Google Scholar.
If you want to read something that you can’t find free access to, your local library or state library may hold it on one of their electronic databases.
If you are having trouble devising search strategies that find the kind of information you’re looking for, talk to your public library or your state library. You might want to make sure you’re talking to a qualified librarian, especially if you are talking to your public library as you will often find an unqualified and unskilled person on the help/information desk.
Actually WW I have not heard of Google Scholar. Many thanks for that hint. I will try to bear this in mind when I need to research some topic.
This applies equally towards the right and the left. My theory is that our media pushes people naturally into radicalism or in the extreme, extremism in political beliefs. When people started taking their news from Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, what they watch, the algorithm will innocently show them more and more content aligning with a certain political slant so that you don’t ever get opposing views to moderate your opinions. Also political media online tends to be more alarmist or clickbaity so people feel like it’s the endtimes which justifies radical action.
I don’t know what the group in victoria believes in its entirety. If you feel like white people in media are being dumped on with no recourse and worse for no justification then you may very well justify some kind of movement that feels like it has to stand up for people who support white people . Or if you feel like children truly are being indoctrinated or preyed upon by a boogey…person and noone seems to be addressing it, you may very well feel justified going to victoria and have a flag of “die pedos, die”.
If you want to treat the symptom, it will take some understanding of the people we don’t like. Shouting people into submission isn’t going to cut it because the buck will be passed until someone puts on a nazi uniform.
One would suggest that it’s an Anglosphere & European (inc. Russia) issue inc. networks that share ideology, tactics etc.
However, worse, is the quiet unspoken support &/or justification from parts of mainstream politics, ‘freedom of speech’, US linked fossil fueled ‘libertarian’ (informed by ‘deep south’) think tanks, US linked nativist NGOs masquerading as ‘environmental’, RW legacy media influenced by US media behind the GOP, Evangelical Christians, society and neo authoritarianism; but claiming to be victims of the left, woke, change, supranational bodies etc..
By coincidence today, the EU Observer had article headlined ‘Why can’t we stop marches glorifying Nazism on EU streets?’, because too much of this ideology has been mainstreamed by the right.
One would suggest that it’s an Anglosphere & European (inc. Russia) issue inc. networks that share ideology, tactics etc.
However, worse, is the quiet unspoken support &/or justification from parts of mainstream politics, ‘freedom of speech’, US linked fossil fueled ‘libertarian’ (informed by ‘deep south’) think tanks, US linked nativist NGOs masquerading as ‘environmental’, RW legacy media influenced by US media behind the GOP, Evangelical Christians, society and neo authoritarianism; but claiming to be victims of the left, woke, change, supranational bodies etc..
By coincidence today, the EU Observer had article headlined ‘Why can’t we stop marches glorifying N*z*sm on EU streets?’, because too much of this ideology has been mainstreamed by the right.
I note the efforts of the police to protect the black clads from the trans supporters. Be aware that anyone voluntarily in any security organisation whether it be the police, a private security organisation, the prison service, ASIO or the defence forces, will have rightish tendancies. This is one of the advantages that extreme right wing wannabes have on their side. There is already a complete envelope of support in place for them in every country on the planet. We need to be aware of it so it can be factored into calculations.
You are right to note the voluntary aspect. On the other side of the coin, conscripted or drafted recruits to such bodies often result in a very different culture, one which can be, at least up to a point and depending on circumstances, rather more democratic than authoritarian and less inclined to act against the public on behalf of the authorities. This can be a strong reason for those in power resisting calls for some sort of national service involving compulsory military training; it can have, from their point of view, very undesirable consequences.
That’s an interesting, positive aspect to national service. I’m not well-read on it, but it doesn’t seem to have troubled authorities in Israel, or has it..?
Like I said, it very much depends on circumstances. The stance of large numbers of IDF veterans opposing the current government’s attempted coup is exactly the sort of consequence I’m talking about.
A very interesting point. You could say that’s what destroyed the Roman Republic.
The annoying tendency of conscripts being unwilling to brutalise the community from which they were taken was probably the only thing that stopped the authorities from putting troops on the street in 1975 as Fraser, Kerr and other uglies wanted.
OTOH, mercenaries have an overriding motive – self preservation to enjoy the perks of their service, in the case of Rome it included becoming Civis Romanus.
The US also allowed aliens accelerated citizenship for signing up for most of the 20thC – it may still be the case despite its current xenophobic meltdown.
Indeed. Another notable example was the attempts by the French government to suppress the Paris Commune in 1871. The troops from areas in and around Paris were far too sympathetic to the Commune to be reliable, and also knew exactly how the French government had launched and lost its catastrophic war with Germany in 1870 which had resulted in the rise of the Commune. The government eventually brought regiments from SW France who disliked the Parisians for historical reasons and were ignorant about the Commune. They were were whipped up to a frenzy, overcame the Commune’s depleted defences and were deliberately left by their commanders to run amok all over Paris for three days, murdering, raping and pillaging.
In other places various measures are taken to guard against the unreliable tendencies of conscript armies. The Soviet Union placed large numbers of political commissars throughout the Red Army to detect and root out any signs of disloyalty to the Party. In addition, different paramilitary organisations were set up for internal defence and security as a ‘divide and rule’ tactic; of one armed organisation rebelled, there were others to counter it. A similar line of thinking encouraged the German government in the 1930s to expand the SS into an organisation so well resourced and armed it could rival the Wermacht and safeguard the ruling party.