The plate of spagbol arrived, wafting beneath me as it was lowered to the table, and I thought there must have been some mistake. The damn thing was huge. The white, gleaming plate was UFO size, the vast pool of meaty spaghetti staring at me. I wouldn’t be able to finish this. Were they giving us some nonsense banquet communal-eating thing? Then I remembered that I was on drugs.
Well, one drug in particular. Ozempic, semaglutide, the miracle weight-loss cure you’ve heard of but whose name you can’t remember. The once-a-week injection (it’s a light prick, like any given senior AMA member) has become the drug du moment, with private doctors besieged by people willing to pay $800 a month for an alternative-use prescription to shake off 10 kilos or so. Demand made the drug unobtainable in Australia for months.
Which was bad news for people like me, who use it for its intended purpose: type 2 diabetes. We get it on the pharmaceutical benefits scheme at about $60 a month. But there’s very little scope to restrict its alternate use; it’s not a restricted schedule drug like amphetamines, which can be tightly controlled.
Weight loss has been one of its stated effects and prescribing purposes when it was first released — albeit for very overweight people at high risk of tipping into diabetes. So hey, why not start when you’re carrying eight kilos too many? And if that coincides with beach season at Port Douglas, well… The resulting therapeutic mess shows how in need of serious reform our pharmaceutical system is, and how unprepared we are for running a health system in a changing world.
First, the shortest possible primer. Type 2 diabetes, “diabetes yoursus faultus”, develops from obesity, age, poor organ function, or all three. In type 1 diabetes, the body’s immune system attacks the pancreas and kills the beta cells that produce insulin, which when released into the bloodstream binds with sugar (all non-fat, non-protein, non-fibre foods) and allows it to enter muscles and the brain. Type 2 people are those who have released too much insulin for decades, leading to insulin resistance by muscles, as well as fat accumulation that occludes and exhausts beta cells.
Type 1s need insulin, and nothing much else as treatment, to stay alive. Type 2s can reverse their diabetes early on with diet control and weight loss, then a variety of pills, and then drugs like Ozempic. Ozempic limits the operation of the pancreas’s alpha cells, which signal the liver to release sugar into the bloodstream (this is a necessarily oversimplified account). In healthy people, beta and alpha cells act in extraordinarily precise synchronisation to keep blood sugar stable. In type 2s, the alpha cells continue to pump the sweet stuff — especially if you’ve reached the stage of needing to use insulin.
This family of “inhibitors” have been around for about 20 years, and they’re a godsend. They allow for sharp reductions in insulin use. The downside? They make food taste like garbage, like dirt. This aids weight loss, but fairly crudely. That’s how they worked, until the last iteration of them, out about 10 years ago. It was noticed these drugs also reduced appetite, and appetite of all types — both the basic stomach hunger and the gnawing “head” hunger, the desire, usually for sweet stuff, that many people with the yoursus faultus condition feel as an uncontrollable drive for food.
Then Ozempic was released and… it is freaky. It is not an appetite suppressant, it is a mind and self re-shaper. It dulls the taste of food slightly, but one suspects that it is actually taking taste into a more normal range — possibly evidence for the old theory that people with a bit of yoursus faultus actually taste food more, get a bigger neurological oomph out of it. Since taking Ozempic, I’ve been eating more curries and chilli’d foods that were hitherto overpowering, but now simply give the necessary kick.
The drug changes one’s entire orientation and appetite. Appetite cuts off sharply, and may do so mid-meal, as with that plate of pasta. Appetite for yoursus faultus people usually never does that, because the whole system is out of sync. Too much food looks disgusting, as thin people, hitherto bewilderingly, say it does. You forget to eat whole meals.
You have a desire for a chocolate bar, ask yourself if you really need it, and feel no more than a slight tug of desire, easily resisted — and not the roaring, mind-drilling absolute desire that would have you (personal memory) crossing in front of two trams to get to a 7-Eleven for a Snickers. And, as I said, the plates suddenly loom a wholly different size. Freaky.
This is why the drug, and its variant Wegovy, have been such hits with non-diabetics, where previous versions have excited little interest. And there are new variants on the way, promising ever more subtlety of effect. But the effect for months has been serious and potentially disastrous for many diabetic users.
The sudden non-availability of Ozempic exposed the utter lack of any sort of coordinated approach to such sudden supply issues. The health departments at both federal and state levels appeared to barely regard it as an issue for their response at all. Different pharmacists and hospital departments began devising ad hoc regimes for supplying known patients, known diabetics, etc. But there are, reasonably, limits to what pharmacists can do; they can’t just refuse service to someone with a valid prescription like it was a bar.
This all got worse, as people responding to the “miracle weight loss” cure stories began seeking it out, and then seeking out its predecessor, Trulicity, which is less effective and slightly more dulling of taste, but still pretty good. So that ran out too. At that point, one could retreat to their precursor Byetta, which has no significant appetite modification effect and works solely as an inhibitor.
Which is why, haha, they’ve now stopped making it, as it approaches the end of its patent life. Because everyone will be switched to Ozempic, which is produced by Novo Nordisk in one factory in Denmark. So as a discontinued drug, doctors aren’t supposed to prescribe it. I knew they might stop, and got a supply as a stopgap. Other people are just going without.
This situation is insane. It is mad. It will, on a global scale and in Australia, result in unnecessary early deaths, blindness, kidney failure and amputations. These once-a-week drugs are particularly good for people from cultures — or educational and social backgrounds — with low levels of health self-management tendencies. A once-a-week injection is thus a real advantage.
This is simply one example of the growing disarray of necessary drug supply across the West. As the Global South brings forth a new global urban working class and middle class, the demand for drugs available only to the West a couple of decades ago — basic blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes and pain management medications — has skyrocketed, and supply hasn’t kept up.
One of the reasons for the lag is the private structure of pharmaceutical supply. Good enough drugs go out of production when something much better comes along, and in the gap, the whole treatment profile of a population can go back to zero. This problem won’t go away. It is especially risky for Australia, since we produce almost none of our own medications.
One saw the immediate effects of this during COVID. One also saw the sudden panicked realisation that, lo and behold, in situations in which China decided it might need to keep the whole supply, we couldn’t just order what we needed from Shenzen because we’re white and Western. Nothing seems to have been quite so effective at making clear the utter folly, the absolute history of stupid of the neoliberals, as destroying what was once an effective homegrown pharmaceutical industry, and the world-class local research that went with it.
We need to do what other nations made peripheral by neoliberalism are doing, and create our own state capacity for producing generic versions of patent-ended medications, with a capacity for rapid upscaling in emergencies.
This should be a part of the preparation for the next pandemic. You know, the one that doesn’t have a 1% mortality rate mostly for those 85-plus, but which kills kids, like good old fashioned diseases are meant to do. The one with a 5% mortality rate, sufficient to require emergency social reorganisation of something more than a few lockdowns. Oh, but that’s right, COVID was a once-in-a-century thing, right?
This is plain common sense, but the deeply embedded neoliberal mindset — which now takes in most Labor MPs, their advisers, the top of the public service, and the universities that train them all — renders such a sluggish capacity to respond to real conditions that we will sleepwalk to disaster because the assumption, in the country of the inventor of penicillin, is that drug development should be in the hands of companies with whole departments devoted to thinking up ever-weirder names for mildly differentiated drugs.
Don’t hold your breath waiting. If you do, try Omphagalos, the new breath-holding basic molecule, which our PBS will pay a US company tens of millions to supply us with in a shiny box.
Whether I will continue with Ozempic now that it is slightly more reliably available is another question. It’s something for another time, but I’m concerned that the drug is, psychologically, too subtle in its changes and effects. I’m not sure I want my desires reshaped if the effect is general — and there are signs that Ozempic may assist in overall impulse control.
I don’t want my overall impulses controlled, and I suspect that the drug may thus be part of the great wave of SSRI anti-depressants, anti-anxiety drugs, ADHD meds and the like that people are flocking to because they’ve given up on the challenge of being fully human, the unique rewards of it, in order to medicate the blinding pain of its frequent absence in the world that neoliberalism has produced. I have no doubt that Ozempic will eventually be prescribed for behaviour modification too.
Very happy to have the urge to eat a spagbol and then a pizza and then a pack of Tim-Tams capped. But I want to keep the desire to set fire to things at parties, destroy promising career opportunities and inadvertently break up marriages.
Happy to take medication for that, but only if it encourages it. I have no doubt that in that I am in the very great minority.
Does Australia need to rethink its drug supply network? Let us know your thoughts by writing to letters@crikey.com.au. Please include your full name to be considered for publication. We reserve the right to edit for length and clarity.
I love how no matter what aspect of life he’s talking about, Guy can usually find a perfectly reasonable angle to point out that neoliberalism has made it suck balls.
I’m really hoping that during my lifetime, I’ll see folks go from arguing about stuff like that, or merely agreeing, to actually sharpening pitchforks and building guillotines.
Kinda fed up with everything sucking balls, over here
Haha
Big, salty, chocolate balls!
?
Firstly obesity is a health issue. Particularly if people also have co morbidities such as heart problems.
Secondly I have found Ozempic has taken me back to how I was in my 20’s and 30’s where I could never finish a plate of food, never wanted anything sweet, and preferred cheese and greens for desert rather than sweets.
My craving for sweet foods started when I commenced taking heart medication and the cravings increased from then on.
Now Ozempic has reduced those cravings and I now feel about eating exactly as I did before I started my heart medication.
And I’ve lost ten kilos.
I haven’t changed my diet, I don’t exercise any more, but I no longer think about food all the time, I no longer feel hungry all the time, I no longer crave sweet things, I am once again living a normal life. I eat probably half of what I used to and that’s sufficient for me.
And there is more weight loss to go.
My cardiologist wanted me to have a gastric sleeve. Ozempic is a far better way to reduce obesity than surgery. The cost of about $150 per month is a stretch on a pension, but well worth stretching for.
For people who have tried absolutely everything from personal trainers, diet food delivery services, Gloria Marshall, Sureslim, Tony Ferguson etc etc, this drug is literally a life changer.
And its finally forcing the establishment to admit that obesity is not, and never has been a lifestyle choice.
So why has obesity in the population been trending up since the 80’s. From 30% to 75% of the population. What has changed in the last 40 years if not our lifestyles?
The amount of fat and processed high GI carbohydrates in our food supply. Put there by manufacturers because they are both addictive. So the more addicted to them you become the more you eat, and so the more they sell to you. In a nice positive feedback loop. With just enough of the very few people who can reduce weight once well and truly obese by moving more and eating less to deny that most can’t and even Guy has fallen for it calling it diabetes yoursus faultus. It’s often a combination of your genetics, your epigenetics, if your mother had gestational diabetes or not, and the addictive sugars and fats in your food.
And the amount of low-fat pseudo food which is flavoured up with sugar.
Indeed.
Just about every part of the food supply you can think of.
literally the definition of overweight and obesity
In the year 1400, sugar cost over two hundred times what it costs today. Today, sugar costs around $1.20 per kilo. Any food manufacturer is stupid not to add it to your food. It is readily available, legal, easily stored and used, cheap, tasty, you crave it and it makes you want to eat more.
Consumption increased twenty-foldIf you had lived in 1800, you would have been consuming about a kilogram of sugar a year; today, the average Australian consumes at least twenty times as much. And that is a lot to ask your body to handle – too much. You do not have to be reckless to get into trouble; you just have to be unaware and follow a normal USA or Australian diet. For example, high-sugar breakfast cereal can be from 30% to 44% sugar and sweetened yogurt can be from 12% to 17% sugar. So, if you have a “normal” cereal, sweetened yoghurt and a glass of orange juice for breakfast you are taking in a lot of sugar. Going back to your great-grandmother, she would have been consuming bacon and eggs and a slice of bread and butter with a spread of jam, or porridge with a slice of fruit. She might have added two teaspoons of sugar to her tea but your 250 ml glass of orange juice would contain three times that amount.
Masked sugarAnd do not think you can taste all the sugar in food. You cannot. Food manufacturers have their own cloak of invisibility. They mask the sweetness of sugar with food acid and salt. Your body registers the sugar and craves more but you do not consciously register most of the sugar. Imagine spooning eleven-and-a-half teaspoons of sugar into a cup of tea! It would be nauseatingly sweet. But a thick-shake may contain eleven-and-a-half teaspoons of sugar.
Wouldn’t legislating sugar out of the food chain be cheaper than 75% of your population injecting themselves with drugs that cost $150 a month?
Even cheaper would be requiring people to be responsible for the consequences of their own actions – a well known non starter, politically & socially.
As for the sugar lobby pleading for small cane producers (HA!), require all the production to be used for ethanol production – Fraser almost 50yrs ago asked the CSIRO to compare the costs of petrol substitution.
The NERD (sic!) report showed that it could be produced at half the cost of petroleum fuels but that did not please the Seven Sisters of yore and no more was heard.
Blame the victim why don’t you.
I gained 30kg over a period of 6 months, whilst not eating any extra and after the first 6kg embarking on an exercise increase.
My doctor husband was looking puzzled as he observed that I wasn’t eating anymore than usual.
I finally said after a weekend of long walks and bike rides, “I feel so awful that if I wasn’t gaining weight, I swear I have something eating me.”
Why not check your thyroid? The result, Full blown Hashimoto’s disease.
Shifting this weight has been an ordeal and yes, I am contemplating Ozempic.
yes, but easier to blame individuals than the food system that surrounds them, and then make products that can be sold to said individuals.
Proper education, and the subsidising of Whole Fruit & Vegetables would be a great place to start.
Also, just like funding a Mental Health Plan helps avoids costs later on, the doctor should be able to subscribe a ‘Nutrition & Diet’ plan, where subsidised sessions with a nutritionist or dietician help educate those with obesity issues.
Or even giving decent funding to ‘Doctors for Nutrition’, so they can educate health professionals as a front line intervention.
Overindulged people overindulging?
Blaming the ivictim, why don’t you?
Obesity has mirrored exactly the use of corn syrup in all processed foods.
It turns off the “full” hormone that our stomach excretes.
There are lots of empty calories around, which is why the poor are more likely to be obese.
These empty calories are cheap.
Yes, Vicki, and i said it’s a health issue, and a legit prescription reason – clearly in your situation. Read the article properly before commenting. But not for people who arent unhealthily overweight and want to lose 6kgs for the spring racing carnival. You are competing with them as much as diabetics are.
Interestingly in the US where drugs aren’t subsidised in the slightest, and where Wegovy was approved by the FDA shortly after Ozempic was , there does not appear to have been a shortage. Think about it for a bit.
there has been a shortage in the US
Not to the level we saw here, althogh they did also have production issues with Wegovy that may have contributed.
Aren’t wegovy and ozempic the same drug, just different dose?
Yes, what we call a different formulation. The exact same drug, made in the exact same factory, which acts the exact same way in the body. Just different delivery systems to give a different dose. Ozempic is a multiple use, variable dose pen, designed for a once a week injection. You can dial up .25, .5, or 1 mg and the pen should last a month at the 1 mg dose.
Wegovy is a single dose pen, with varying strengths. You increase the dose to 2.4 mg weekly (some people even say 3.6). My understanding is that it will come in a pack of four single use prefilled syringes.
Wha- wha- what??? It has to be … injected???
Well Guy, there’s no worry that I’ll be contibuting to the Ozempic shortage in order to get my perfect bikini bod – I guess I’ll have to resort to cutting back on the savvy blancs.
It’s a very fine needle, and oft times you don’t even feel it as it goes in. You actually feel more from the fluid bleb that the injector deposits.
I did read the article prior to commenting. My issue is that many in the media are lumping obese people in the same basket as the spring carnival people, and berating them for creating a shortage for diabetics.
It gets tiring, especially after years of listening to the “eat less exercise more” mantra, along with the “lazy fat people” schtick.
Eating less is easy if you’re not hungry. Exercising more is easy if you’re not aching all over because of the pain in your joints caused by excess weight.
If losing weight was that as easy as the paragons of perfect would have us believe, there would be very little obesity.
Most people in the west have never experienced hunger – try going at least two or three days without eating and see what it really feels like.
The empty feeling generally claimed as hunger is a learned experience of just craving yet another sugar hit.
Eat less, move more – it is that simple.
Unfortunately this is an old outdated trope that is now comprehensively shown to be wrong. It’s nothing.more than fatism.
Another paragon of perfect.
“The empty feeling generally claimed as hunger is a learned experience of just craving yet another sugar hit.”
Does that piety make you feel better?
“Eat less, move more – it is that simple.”
No. It’s not that simple. Science has moved on. They’re finally realising what works and what doesn’t.
Educate yourself.
Always with the “They’re” – never the real actor, oneself.
Because that would require taking responsibility for ones own actions instead of blaming someone/anyone else or, failing that, society as a whole.
Sorry, sorry, yes! it is my fault!
I take responsibility for my immune system deciding to eat my thyroid.
OH, omniscient one!
Indeed, hunger isn’t just a linear relationship with food and exercise. When something
It simply is for 90% plus of the population, please do not use the exception to make the rule.
Many cling to their ‘exceptionality‘ – as a drunk uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination – to validate their demands for special treatment.
Lionel Shriver pinged it last week with “Is Trans the new Anorexia?” – well worth a read.
debunked ages ago.
What a load of simplistic rubbish.
As you write “I haven’t changed my diet, I don’t exercise any more,” & “Eating less is easy if you’re not hungry..” – that’s 3 of out the 7 and, from your own words, well in the running for at least two or 3 others.
So, rather than change your habits, you take drugs – ie “forcing the establishment to admit that obesity is not, and never has been a lifestyle choice.”
Yeah nah……Don’t take me out of context.
“I haven’t changed my diet, I don’t exercise any more, but I no longer think about food all the time, I no longer feel hungry all the time, I no longer crave sweet things, I am once again living a normal life. I eat probably half of what I used to and that’s sufficient for me.”
See the last sentence. “I eat probably half of what I used to and that’s sufficient for me.”
Thats because I’m not hungry. It’s also because I no longer have the cravings for sweet things that my heart medication induced.
But I’ve already said all that.
And you’re just choosing to be Perfect, because nobody knows anything about weight loss as much as you do. Not scientists, not chemists, not researchers, not GP’s because you are the expert.
I suggest you go and read some of the multitude of scientific research on the effects of Semaglutide and weight, then come back and join the conversation. Until then I won’t bother engaging anymore because I can only tolerate so much ignorance.
BTW weight loss is the side effect of the drug which controls blood sugar.
Yet you chose not to “...eat probably half of what I used to and that’s sufficient…”.
Yes, chose – preferring to demand that society fund the ‘medications’ required to combat the various results of that choice.
Well, Munin has previously asserted that all women can detect trans women through smell. Hardly a scientific genius.
Crikey! If I had known that I wouldn’t have bothered engaging.
You definitely should not bother. Munin’s colossal conceit is matched by their towering ignorance and, judging by the amount of commenting they do, a raging need for attention.
Relevancy Deprivation Syndrome? Is Munin Tony Abbott???
It would be nice to think Tony Abbott paid actual money to subscribe to Crikey, but sadly I doubt it.
Women smell men.
Then why do they get it wrong so frequently in the women’s room. Newsflash – some women have short hair and wear trousers
The number of your posts – no matter the topic – into which your public toilets fixation is not shoehorned could be counted on the fingers of one fish.
Why you spend so much time prowling them is a mystery – perhaps it is your prostate, better have it checked.
This isn’t about obesity. By all means if it helps for oeople who need it, I have no objection to that. The problem is the people who are overweight but not obese. I want to lose 10kg, ill work on it with diet and exercise. But there are some people, many really, who see the drug as a fast track to losing that 10kg or 20kg or worse, a few more kg even though they’re already healthy body weight. They’re the ones demanding and paying the high price for the drug.
Yes, I agree….though I’m also curious about whether GPs like Jackson Hardy issue these drugs (barring irreversible diabetes) to those like Vicki as behavioural rehabilitative aids, like methodone and nicodent, ie to be progressively withdrawn once the patient has used their ‘leg up’ to recalibrate their metabolism (‘cravings’) and lifestyles.
Or more like statins, ie lifelong preventative prophylactics, ie as a permanent addition to other means of risk mitigation.
Vicki, do you see yourself as remaining on Ozempic for the rest of your life?
Here is the present – the Future, if any, is debateable.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/30/children-could-get-weight-loss-jab-semaglutideon-the-nhs
Department of Health asks watchdog to assess effectiveness of giving semaglutide to obese youngsters aged 12 to 17. The appetite-suppressing drug, sold for weight loss under the brand name Wegovy, is already available for 12- to 17-year-olds in the US and was recently approved for use on the NHS in England for obese adults with one weight-related comorbidity. Any move to enable prescription of the injections to under-18s on the NHS would likely prove controversial. The recent approval of semaglutide for NHS use in adults has already raised concerns among some health experts, who point to a lack of data on the drug’s long-term effectiveness and potential side effects. Last week, the government’s former food adviser, Henry Dimbleby, said plans to prescribe weight-loss drugs to millions of people were “reckless”, telling an event at the Institute for Government that Britain could not “drug its way out of the problem” of obesity.
Here is the present – the Future, if any, is debateable from Blighty – the madBot may release the Grauniad link some day…
Department of Health asks watchdog to assess effectiveness of giving semaglutide to obese youngsters aged 12 to 17. The appetite-suppressing drug, sold for weight loss under the brand name Wegovy, is already available for 12- to 17-year-olds in the US and was recently approved for use on the NHS in England for obese adults with one weight-related comorbidity. Any move to enable prescription of the injections to under-18s on the NHS would likely prove controversial. The recent approval of semaglutide for NHS use in adults has already raised concerns among some health experts, who point to a lack of data on the drug’s long-term effectiveness and potential side effects. Last week, the government’s former food adviser, Henry Dimbleby, said plans to prescribe weight-loss drugs to millions of people were “reckless”, telling an event at the Institute for Government that Britain could not “drug its way out of the problem” of obesity.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/30/children-could-get-weight-loss-jab-semaglutideon-the-nhs
We also don’t know the long term effects of weight cycling, which what most food and exercise interventions deliver.
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics. State-administered euthanasia at birth and the use of the carcass for KC body parts and cattle feed is the reductio ad absurdium.
Everything in our civic and health systems incentivises ‘drugging our way’ to ‘better’ health outcomes, and disincentivises the application of properly therapeutic medicine. The latter takes human time, human care and an encouraged aspiration for the prioritising of individual human agency as the human governing impulse. All three are antithetical to imposed power and control.
The rich and powerful have many options when it comes to managing their weight health, including the optimum path of eating well and maintaining physical activity. The poor and powerless can take that path, too, but for them it’s strewn with obstacles. Guy is right to be wary of these ‘lifestyle’ drugs, they can be as much about eroding a person’s agency (which means their dignity) as about helping them regain it. It depends a lot on their doctor. At the moment our woeful gap payment is tending to turn too many GPs into PBS vending machines.
As someone who has not been to a doctor for over half a century – apparently the Oz average is 7 ‘visits’ per year!! – I was mightily pissed last year to being obliged to find one for an ‘Aged Driver Fitness’ certification.
The doctor initially refused because I had no medical history – to no avail did I point out the obvious reason for that, never being crook – so I had to submit to a blood test which of course was ticketty-boo.
How was that not compulsory medical treatment?
You “chose” to get your license renewed, for which it is a requirement.
Precisely.
It is compulsory to pass a driving test to obtain a licence and obtain a ink slip for vehicle roadworthiness.
I chose to comply but that does not obviate it being ‘compulsory medical treatment’.
It is entirely voluntary, unless you “choose” to drive a car.
Remember those “consequences” you keep banging on about ?
The ones I said people should ‘wear’ in they choose to do something?
Yep. What’s your point?
I’m in a really similar place. I react badly to many drugs and the ones I can take make me gain weight. I have a chronic pain incurable disease which has given me heart disease too. Ozempic has been a game changer for me, and my blood tests confirm this. Bonus is I’m taking a lot less pain killers and some of my symptoms have stabilised. I’m slow to lose weight as Ozempic is also having to mitigate the effects of the other drugs I take but I’ve lost nearly 30 kg’s in 18 months.
Guy, there are a couple of issues here.
One , the drug, semaglutide, is approved by the TGA for both the treatment of type 2 diabetics, and for weight loss. Yep, the TGA approves the use of semaglutide for weight loss. Why? Because obesity really is a health problem of massive proportions. And it causes a lot of type 2 diabetes.
Ozempic is the formulation designed for diabetics, a pen syringe with multiple doses, once a week. The formulation for weight loss is called Wegovy. It’s also a pen filled syringe, at a higher dose than used for diabetes, and it’s a single dose each pen.
But the TGA took it’s sweet time approving Wegovy. Just like they did for the same company’s other weight loss drug Saxenda (liraglutide). And neither drug is included on the PBS for weight loss. Why? Because the TGA and the PBS are “fatist” that’s why. Stuck in the now outdated and disproven paradigm that obesity is all the patient’s own fault, and all they need to do is have a bit of will power, eat less, and move more. We now know this is just not the case.
A far more fruitful avenue to explore would be: “Did Nordo Novodisk help create the shortage of Ozempic to give the TGA a kick up the bum and get on with approving Wegovy?”
Yes, i know it approves for weight loss, but that general approval is the problem. Of course the very overweight should be able to access these drugs. But that provides cover for docs to prescribe to people wanting to lose 4-5kg for aesthetic reasons. Im saying we should have a process that can steer allocation of these drugs with a bit more purpose
The way it works is not quite as you say too. All of the “glutides” are Glucagon Like Peptide 1 agonists, they mimic a natural hormone in the body. Once you become obese, or a type 2 diabetic (or both, which is most common) it’s not just insulin resistance, there are a whole cascade of endocrine responses. You secrete more ghrelin (the hungry hormone) and less GLP1 (one of a number of “full” hormones). GLP1 reduces appetite, and also increases the time it takes for your stomach to empty. This means you simply lose the desire to eat, your brain is convinced you’re full. You also can get shocking reflux, and a-hole tearing constipation (a small number of people go the other way). The taste of food is interesting, it’s an effect of the reduction in volume of food you can eat, your brain wants bang for buck and starts craving more “piquancy”, it wants more taste for the same volume, and the brain stops responding to the taste and smell triggers of appetite (they actually taste the same, but your brain doesn’t recognise this). I too went for tons of curry and chilli. And wasabi.
And the general approval is not the problem. The drug is approved for both conditions. This means doctors should be free to prescribe it. Also TGA approvals are for drugs, not formulations. You could use Wegovy to treat type 2 diabetes if there was no Ozempic, although the Wegovy dose is higher. Prescribing it for 4-5 kg weight loss is not approved, that is still off label. But off label prescription is also perfectly legal. There are a number of other problems, the chief of which is pharmacotherpay for obesity is not on the PBS. It should be. One of the drivers of the uptake of Ozempic for weight loss is that it was cheaper than liraglutide, particularly if doctors prescribed the former for weight loss as a PBS script (technically they should not). If liraglutide was on the PBS, even though it is once a day not weekly, the rush for semaglutide may not have been so dramatic.
And I still question if the shortage of supply was not manipulated for commercial reasons and gaming the approval authorities.
And stay on semaglutide for your diabetes. It’s a very good option.
Jackson, i said my explanation was a necessary oversimplification. The physiology section was already too long.
You continue to miss the most basic point im making about how drugs are authorised, and how there should be a more proactive process available for the state to follow.
Finally, save the free advice. You’ve missed the existential point im making, which is that it may be worse to have your subjectivity subtly controlled, than to consciously manage a condition. Doctors, with some valuable exceptions, make terrible critical thinkers on these issues.
Oh, I got the exestential point. But for some consciously managing a condition may not be an option that will actually work. That is often the case with obesity, which leaves you with the options of stay fat and accept that it may affect your health, or allow your neuroendocrine system to be modulated.
And the approval process is based around allowing doctors to prescribe on pure scientific evidence, which is what gives us off label use, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Four of my five patients today have all had off label use as part of their anaesthesia and the evidence is pretty clear that what I did for them is well associated with better outcomes in terms of post operative pain. So limiting off label use is not the answer, because it is so widespread.
And I agree entirely, off label prescription of semaglutide to allow PYTs to drop 5 kg to go to the Spring Racing Carnival is morally unsustainable when that impacts supply for on label use. But you also missed my point, why was supply of semaglutide short in countries where Wegovy was yet to be approved, but apparently not so where it was?
This is sad and horrifying, but hardly any surprise. Our neoliberal supply model is geared towards diverting resources from the undeserving poor to the deserving wealthy. Look at the rental situation; money mostly flows from the poor to the well-off multiple investment homeowners. Look at fossil fuels; money flows from the dented petrol tanks of poor people’s cars to the companies who make record profits. Look at gambling… Oh, why bother? I’m even depressing myself.
Sadly, the shortage of that drug is happening everywhere. For what purpose? So someone can lose a bit of weight temporarily, because it is only temporary. Once use of the drug ceases, most people regain the weight. And there’s also evidence that after awhile, like illicit drugs, the body becomes accustomed to it so while it’s still working, the weight loss benefits decrease or stop and people start gaining weight again, unless they increase the dose. And that’s a dangerous game to play when it comes to any drug.
I’m trying to lose weight, but I’m of an age and stage of life where that’s not as easy as it was. Body joints are starting to complain if I push too hard. Walking up the hill to home after work leaves me puffing hard (admittedly it is a steep hill, even the dog doesn’t like it), so I’m trying to follow a time-restricted eating habit. But there’s one saying I try to live by:
“It’s not what you eat between Christmas and New Year; it’s what you eat between New Year and Christmas.”
I have friends with Type 2 diabetes. I have a nephew with Type 1 diabetes. I think it’s appalling that diabetics could be missing out on any life-saving drugs simply because of the vanity of people carrying a few extra kilos and more money than sense.