One of the more complex contradictions in the No campaign against the Voice to Parliament relates to how it views government. Sure, it is made up of disparate viewpoints, but they nearly all come from the conservative, or right-wing, side of politics — though there are plenty of conservatives, and even a few right-wingers, who are Yes supporters.
But given that, you’d expect the No camp would be supportive of anything that either reduces the power of government, or improves its efficiency.
In the view of the No camp, the Voice to Parliament is certainly a threat to the power of government — one of its core, and entirely baseless, arguments is that a Voice would act as an unfair (i.e. Black) check on Parliament, tangling government up in High Court challenges, following Nyunggai Warren Mundine in changing the date of Australia Day, vetoing Reserve Bank interest rate decisions, etc, etc. For a side of politics that professes to believe in smaller and less powerful government, opposition to a Voice — if they actually believe their claims about it possessing too much power — makes no sense.
In fact it’s not surprising that No conservatives hold such a contradiction in their heads. It’s virtually the same one many of them hold over a bill of rights, which would reduce state power in relation to individuals, but which they see as some sort of socialist plot — an idea that would strike pretty much any American conservative or right-winger as ludicrous, given the centrality of the US Bill of Rights to American thinking around freedom from government.
As for improving the efficiency of government, that’s a line Anthony Albanese has tried out in relation to support for the Voice, saying back in June:
This will save money. And the reason why it’ll save money is that everyone knows that there’s been billions of dollars expended on education, health and housing. Governments of all persuasions have, with the best of intentions, expended a lot of taxpayers’ money trying to close that gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australia. But the truth is that in so many areas, it’s not going forward, it’s going backwards. It’s not going forwards to the targets, for example, on Year 12 completions. Now, if the money is spent better and more efficiently and in a way that gives people that ownership over the way that programs are run by being listened to…
The only real No camp response to that is to argue that too much money is spent on First Peoples now, by wildly exaggerating the amounts spent. Or, in Peter Dutton’s case, to argue that a legislated Voice to Parliament would do the same things as a constitutional Voice.
But Dutton’s embrace of both a legislated Voice and the idea of a second referendum has isolated him from the rest of the No campaign — indeed, even from his own Indigenous Affairs minister, Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, who holds that First Peoples should simply be assimilated and there is no need for any separate Indigenous programs or even an Indigenous Affairs portfolio.
Albanese’s argument that we can govern better, more efficiently, with a Voice to Parliament seems to have fallen on stony ground. For open racists, it’s a non-issue — they want less or no spending on programs aimed at First Peoples and don’t care about governing more effectively and efficiently in their interests. But there may also be deeper views about government at work.
A lot of hostility towards the idea of a Voice comes from people who don’t trust governments. The links between No supporters, anti-lockdown activists, anti-vaxxers and COVID sceptics are well established — even No supporters have tried to dissociate themselves from the conspiracy theorist fringes of the No campaign, while conspiracy theories about the referendum being “rigged” have been peddled even by Dutton.
Albanese has rightly decided that restoring trust in government is important for his political prospects and for Australia’s political and social cohesion, focusing on showing that his government keeps its promises, tells the truth and performs competently. As opposed to Scott Morrison, whose government was marked by announcements instead of policy substance, favours for political donors, mendacity and corruption. But Morrison was only the symptom of a wider malaise — the perception that the political system and particularly the economy is run by or inappropriately shaped by vested interests, especially big business, which has been growing over the past two decades.
Fake political “outsiders” such as Pauline Hanson and Clive Palmer have sought to exploit this sentiment, with varying degrees of success — the great example of an establishment insider exploiting it is Donald Trump — while media elites such as the Murdoch family’s companies have relied on it to manufacture and amplify white grievance and victimhood. The narrative offered by Trump’s and Murdoch’s outlets, such as Fox News and Sky here, is that the “system” is indeed run by vested interests — liberal “elites” antithetical to the values and interests of ordinary (read: white) people, and what is needed is a revolution that seizes control back from them.
In this mindset, there is no governing in the public interest, merely making sure that it is your side, your tribe, your race, that governs, and governs in the interests of your side, your tribe, your race. There is no contest for good government, merely to make sure you and people like you govern, because governing in your own interests is good government.
That’s why the argument that a Voice to Parliament would improve government, limit government, and make it more efficient fails to register for so many voters, and why the argument that a Voice is needed to help improve educational, health and economic outcomes for First Peoples falls on deaf ears. The task is not to govern well according to some objective standard, but to govern in your own interests.
And while neoliberalism gets blamed for everything bad in the past 30 years, it’s hard not to see this as the natural consequence of the application of a political and economic system that elevated the wants of large corporations to the pinnacle of public policymaking, that made government the handmaiden to capital. When politics is reduced to making sure government serves vested interests, it slowly obliterates the idea that politics can be about government in the public interest.
Which should be a self-defeating argument. The bigger the amount of money allegedly wasted on First Peoples now, the stronger the case for a Voice becomes.
No supporters don’t do logic.
Genuine question. Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim the Voice will lead to a reduction of spending on First Nation People? Is there an actuarial report somewhere? Or is this just guess work?
I have done a cursory search and can’t find anything. As the Yes side tell us, if you don’t know find out.
Sorry- should really say ‘the claim’, not ‘your claim’.
The point of the Voice is to advise the government on better policies. The No campaign is arguing money is being wasted at present. The No campaign alleges there are huge amounts of wasted spending. So far as that is true it reflects the problems we face when there is no Voice. The Voice could advise the government on better ways of spending the money, and that must by definition reduce the waste. The bigger the amount of waste at present, the bigger the opportunity for the Voice to help.
The No campaign would make more sense if it argued that all current spending on First Nations at present is appropriate, justified and well used. If that could be believed, it would be an excellent argument against the Voice, because it would be hard to claim the Voice could make it any better.
This really isn’t difficult. You did not need it explained.
So actually the answer is “no evidence whatsoever”. It is merely an assertion that the Voice will save money. Just as it would be an assertion to say, “the Voice will just be an added layer of bureaucracy costing more without delivering any value”. You see how easy this game is?
Both the Yes and No campaign are fact free zones. One built on complete fabrications and the other built on feel good wishful thinking.
Jeez, even The Australian says “the Voice proposal was partly conceived as a way to end decades of waste and misdirected funds”. Anywhere you care to look, right the way back to the Uluru statement, it is clear that is a prime purpose of the Voice.
I’m not debating that. I agree that it is part of its purpose. But where is the evidence to back that up?
If you don’t know, find out. Right?
I just told you where the ‘evidence’ is. And why do you agree its part of the purpose and then pretend you cannot find evidence? Do your own homework.
Sorry, I don’t think I was very clear. What I’m saying is it may well be the stated intention of the Voice to save money, but there isn’t the slightest shred of evidence to support that assertion.
People making assertions (even right wing newspapers) is not evidence of anything.
The fact remains that we have absolutely no idea if the Voice will save money or lead to greater costs, or if the Voice will have a positive, negative or neutral impact on First Nation People. It’s all just, ‘fingers crossed and let’s see what happens’.
Ah, now I see the problem — this is not really about the Voice, you really want somebody to predict the future, with complete certainty. I confidently predict you will be disappointed.
Nope. Just something, anything really other than mere assertions.
In my line of work when we want to show the positive or negative financial impact of an action we acquire actuarial modelling which shows likely outcomes. This then informs the decision of policymakers and stakeholders alike.
Nothing like that exists for the Voice. Just ‘trust us’.
You are confiming what I said. Nobody can say for certain what the Voice would achieve, just like nobody can say for certain how some election will turn out or what some future government will do or how a court will settle some case it has not yet begun to hear. You are going to be disappointed, your demand for certainty is absurd.
And if the Voice was just going to be legislated then I’d be right there with you saying, give it a crack.
But if you want to put something in the constitution which, as you say ‘nobody can say for certain would achieve’, that sounds at best risky and at worst negligent.
This is also my issue with the ‘if you don’t know, find out’ charade. When you try and find out, you find…. crickets…
Yes, that must be why things like parliament, and elections, and the judicial system and all the rest are kept out of the constitution… oh, wait…
The things you just listed evolved through hundreds of years of trial and error and were added to the Australian Constitution to mirror examples in other countries (specifically one without a written constitution). I know many Australians are convinced they’re at the centre of the universe, but you couldn’t have picked worse examples.
A special interest lobby group, the details of which the government refuses to release until after we’ve voted doesn’t belong in the constitution for a variety of reasons.
Exactly, they are all in the constitution, and yet they evolve. Why you exhibit such terror about such an evidently innocuous addition to our constitution is puzzling. It cannot do any harm and it might do some good.
NO! An alt-right campaign built on lies? …. Whatever next?
Has all the nativist and conspiracy elements for too many in above median age &/or regional vote rusted onto RW MSM, with a generation of white Oz agitprop supported by imported US fossil fueled Tanton (white Oz admirer/visitor) ZPG nativism & Koch authoritarianism use don ‘owned’ GOP.
In fact it’s classic eugenics of race and pecking order, willing on permanent authoritarianism inc. destabilising elections, referendums and liberal democracy aka Brexit & Trump.
Dutton would deny tomorrow is Wednesday, knowing it will get him headlines in the MSM including the ABC.
Dutton would be correct, though. He well knows Wednesday is in fact an ostensibly minor recurring character in that C20 series of documentaries about left-wing elites, the Addams Family. The MSM never mentions this.
Fiona Scott on ‘The Drum’, Monday 2nd Oct, managed to conjoin the referendum with a treaty and a republic. Apparently the insinuation was if you vote YES you are actually voting for a treaty and an eventual republic?? She also attempted to raise the discredited 26 hidden pages conspiracy peddled in the Murdoch press. The success of the NO campaigners is their very diversity appealing to the confirmation bias of so many different discrete sections of the voting community. Whether it is the so called ‘progressive no’, sovereign citizens, white supremacists, antivaxers, anti-republicans, right wing conservatives, neoliberals or rusted on liberal voters following the party line, there is something somewhere in the NO arguments that can be used to confirm their own biases and give an excuse to vote NO. Up against all of this, the YES campaign has just a simple one page statement from the heart, appealing to a sense of decency that doesn’t really exist in many people.
And did Bourchier/The Drum remind the audience that Scott was the Liberal member for Lindsay (2010 – 2016) – and an Abbott favourite? …. Present ‘Vice President of the Penrith branch of the Liberal Party’?
If Albo wants to restore the credibility of government he needs to stop doing things that look like he is working for the billionaires, and possibly accepting secret benefits. A start would be to stop approving new coal mines and get serious about climate change.
… and ditch the Stage 3 tax cuts as we’ll as withdraw from that wasteful AUKUS deal …
And make his prime ministerial diary public.