It’s a measure of the confidence assimilationists now feel, not to mention their profound indecency, that they’ve wasted no time pushing to start rolling back what few gains have been made on Indigenous policy.
Tony Abbott immediately demanded that Indigenous flags no longer be flown and acknowledgements of Indigenous people be abandoned at official events — signs of separatism, he says. If even those most basic acknowledgements that First Peoples exist are now to be erased, then we are indeed seeing full-blown separatism. The LNP in Queensland abandoned support for a treaty process in that state. Peter Dutton, in the words of one of his own MPs, sought to “weaponise” claims of child abuse within Indigenous communities.
The mainstream media also wasted no time in trying to fit the result into a narrative that carefully avoided the core issues of the referendum. The Australian Financial Review echoed the argument of The Australian that it was all Anthony Albanese’s fault for his “failure to genuinely consult with Mr Dutton to try to secure bi-partisan support for the Voice,” arguing that it was down to Albanese’s “hubris”.
This is a self-serving lie that gets everyone — Dutton, the No campaign, racists, the media — off the hook. There is literally no referendum proposal that Dutton would have supported, as his goal was to damage Labor, not address the substance of either recognition or closing the gap. The AFR goes on to complain that Albanese has ruled out “pursuing other forms of constitutional recognition or legislating for an Indigenous advisory body”.
Let’s coin a name for this fiction: how about the White Man’s Recognition Myth? It’s one many No supporters, including Abbott and Dutton, cling to — that if only they’d been asked to support simple recognition without a Voice, they’d have backed it.
White Man’s Recognition found a full flowering in an extraordinary column by David Crowe last week. Normally the doyen of both-sidesist press gallery commentary, Crowe came alive during the campaign to lash the No campaign but lamented last Thursday “a Yes vote is only possible for leaders who compromise more than they would like. This is true for Indigenous leaders as much as party leaders. As late as June this year, there was a pathway to success for recognition without the Voice, something Dutton says he supports.”
That is, the failure of the referendum is on First Peoples and their inability to compromise, their unwillingness to accept a token White Man’s Recognition, their insistence that recognition actually be meaningful and involve a two-way interaction, not imposed on them like so much else has been imposed on them for more than two centuries.
Stop complaining, accept what you’re given, abandon any agency, it’s non-Indigenous people who’ve done all the compromising, why won’t you? Being recognised as actually existing should be enough. It’s not just Albanese, evidently, who is afflicted with hubris.
It shouldn’t need to be said, but after the ferocious and resentful dismissal of genuine recognition by non-Indigenous Australia, no non-Indigenous person is in a position to lecture First Peoples about what they should have done differently in order to please us.
It is non-Indigenous people who have killed off recognition and reconciliation in favour of maintaining a white fantasy in an occupied country. The next steps, whatever they are, must come from First Peoples. And if those steps are away from the rest of us, we’ve only ourselves to blame.
Keane might also have cited Michelle Grattan’s piece last Friday in The Conversation, which put all the blame on Albanese for causing great harm to Aboriginal people:
‘Albanese was well motivated, but a great deal of harm has been done.The prime minister and others will say, the Indigenous people wanted a Voice in the constitution, not simply a legislated Voice. How could he ignore that, when he made his pre-election promise to pursue the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full? It sounds a compelling argument. Except when you consider the result. Instead of getting something, the outcome has been to achieve nothing.’
Makes it quite clear Grattan believes it remains, as it ever was since the First Fleet, the business of powerful white folk to decide what is best for others in this country and give it to them, no matter what the others might think or say. In her world, the way to provide a Voice for Aboriginal people is, first off, to ignore their voice! Anyway, I’m not convinced Grattan is right that the referendum achieved nothing. It has dragged some very unpleasant truths about this country into the daylight. Whether anything constructive can be done with that revelation remains to be seen.
Anyone who was surprised by the outcome of this referendum clearly hasn’t been paying attention. The unpleasant truths about this country have been clearly visible to anybody who cared to look. Unfortunately most people prefer not to look too closely
‘Anyone who was surprised by the outcome of this referendum clearly hadn’t been paying attention’.
Any ideas then on why Albanese chose to put it to a referendum?
I’ve found that deeply puzzling. There was never a chance that it could succeed – statistically, at least. At the risk of sounding like a loony conspiracy theorist, I’ve recently begun to ponder the possibility of the dead hand of uncle Rupert being involved. It’s a safe bet that no Australian prime minister has been elected in the last, say, 30 years without having to do a favor for uncle Rupert in return. They’re usually fairly obvious, and a look at what’s happened after each federal election would probably reveal each of them without to much had scratching. That’s why Shorten lost the previous election – he refused to go and kowtow and receive his orders. Why would uncle Rupert want a referendum? I don’t know, but it probably sold a lot of papers.
Other than that, I’m baffled
Or getting backroom operator Billionaire Pratt onside.
A very bad decision. He should have gone straight to legislation.
Going straight to legislation was the view that Marcia Langton and Tom Calma advocated for, however, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on ATSI Voice recommended to proceed straight to a referendum.
‘Against those who want a referendum on the Voice as soon as possible, (that is) before the legislation is developed, Langton and Calma argued for building the Voice first. Work would start on constructing the 35 Local and Regional Voices, which would then, after an estimated two years, choose the members of a National Voice to Parliament.
(Tim Rowse – Inside Story – Sept. ‘22
This approach was, regrettably, ditched by a majority of the Joint Parliamentary Committee, in favour of going straight to the referendum.
To pacify the latte crowd. It was designed to fail and succeeded.
He would not know a principle or ethic if it beat him about what passes for his head.
It is blindingly obvious that a large proportion of the NO camp are in the same boat as Dutton – their sole motive is to take bark off Albanese, and be damned to the principles of anything.
I think it’s literally as simple as “it was an election promise”.
Because it was in the form the Statement from the Heart requested, you know, the constitutional convention at Uluru, set up by Turnbull and promised since Howard – nothing to do with Albanese, after knowing the long history of reactionary bastardry from the coalition.
Even starting as recently as Whitlam, Fraser and Howard abolished our first universal health scheme, Medibank, then fought tooth and nail against universal super and fair wages for a fair days pay. Howard abolished ATSIC after starving it of funds, against the advice of his own departments, and every aborignila program that looks like succeeding has suffered the same fate.
Abbott charged Turnbull with wrecking the NBN which he proceeded to do. Abbott under Howard, and Dutton under Howard ripped $9B in 10 year’s ago money out of Medicare, leaving it in the parlous state it’s in at present.
That and more is the reality behind the request for a permanent advisory body, so it can’t be destroyed immediately the wreckers gain control.
It it a group of facts I have presented ad nauseum on these sites and after posting them probably 100 times, not a single time ave those facts been addressed.
Prove yourself a man and address the facts.
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Because it was in the form the Statement from the Heart requested, you know, the constitutional convention at Uluru, set up by Turnbull and promised since Howard – nothing to do with Albanese, after knowing the long history of reactionary discriminatory actions by the coalition.
Even starting as recently as Whitlam, Fraser and Howard abolished our first universal health scheme, Medibank, then fought tooth and nail against universal super and fair wages for a fair days pay. Howard abolished ATSIC after starving it of funds, against the advice of his own departments, and every aborignila program that looks like succeeding has suffered the same fate.
Abbott charged Turnbull with wrecking the NBN which he proceeded to do. Abbott under Howard, and Dutton under Howard ripped $9B in 10 year’s ago money out of Medicare, leaving it in the parlous state it’s in at present.
That and more is the reality behind the request for a permanent advisory body, so it can’t be destroyed immediately the wreckers gain control.
It it a group of facts I have presented ad nauseum on these sites and after posting them probably 100 times, not a single time ave those facts been addressed.
Prove you can admit to those and address the facts.
So the Indian,South-East Asian , South American and Chinese voters all voted Yes and the ‘powerful white folk ‘ were the only ones that voted NO ?
Well, white people are the majority in this country, in case you haven’t noticed.
@ Kim R, Western Sydney is home some of the largest Immigrant communities in the country and form quite large voting blocks….yet they mostly voted ‘No’ the voice. Is this really just a ‘White Person’s’ problem in Australia?
Grattan has never been one to praise a Labor PM. Even, or maybe especially, PM Gillard’s misogyny speech.
Gratan is merely being true to form. She, under the guise of disinterested reporting has always been a cons lickspittle – her history speaks for itself.
I’m still upset that the Referendum didn’t have a better outcome. Nobody won, in spite of some comments I’ve seen. We are ALL the poorer for once again relegating First Nations People to the sidelines to put up AND shut up.
Australia has become such an insular and selfish society, most of that being American behaviours.
Even now, with the Israel-Palestinian conflict, there are bound to be people out there saying don’t bring those conflicts here, don’t let protests happen and so on.
I’m tired of this country. The people who voted NO all had only one thing in mind, some warped sense that they didn’t want to give somebody else something they didn’t have (whether it was based on race, money or just not wanting Albanese to ‘win’), never thinking that we’ve already got so much, that we’ve already got what they don’t have. After all, what is the Constitution if not recognition of those of us who aren’t First Nations People?
We are not a country that gives people a Fair Go. Like many myths in Australia, this is one more that has died on the pyre of selfishness and political expedience.
I will no longer be standing for/singing or respecting the national anthem. It means nothing and bears no relation to the country that we are in this day and age. I am ashamed of this country and especially ashamed of the electorate I live in, Maranoa in Queensland. I love Queensland, born and bred here, but this is the electorate that truly gives Queensland its redneck reputation. I can’t even speak about the referendum in this town, knowing the vast majority of my neighbours and acquantances are NO voters.
I don’t know that it has “become insular and selfish”. It’s not as though Australia was open minded and generous to Indigenous Australians in the past. It’s just more overt now that we have social media. I’m still hopeful things will improve with the next generation.
Division such as this – being tired of this country (go somewhere else), thinking Australia doesn’t give people a fair go (come and say that to my Afghani and French born colleagues), rejecting the come together of the national anthem. Grouping people who voted no, to be effectively ashamed of – I wonder how helpful that is to anyone or for any kind of better future. There’s a huge amount of positive to come out of the vote – that it doesn’t particularly look the way any one specific person wants, really is okay – as long as we can improve the lives of those who need it.
Name some of the positive outcomes of the vote. Pay particular attention to the ‘positives’ for the Indigneous people.
The right wing has consistently taken away , never given. While not all who voted NO are racists but Abbott, Howard and Dutton are Racists!
“Nobody won”? Peter Dutton won – or at least, he thinks he did. However his behavior in the No campaign has probably destroyed his chances of ever becoming prime minister.
He does think that he “won” but those Teal Electorates all backed YES and he needs this cohort back on his side . Fat chance .
Dutton’s chances were royally shagged long before the referendum.
I would like to think so, but experience tells me that weirder (and more horrible) things have happened in politics! 😀
You are conflating No to a “form of recognition” with No to “recognition itself”.
I’ve written above why this isn’t the case. Suffice to say rather than blame voters (who are demonstrably in favour of recognition) blame those who ignored the practicalities such as:
– getting bipartisan support
– preparing the ground with education
– legislating prior to amending the constitution
– a good campaign with a simple message
– a plan B
I voted Yes – but I’m not blinded to the reality of changing the Australian constitution.
Agree, quite base, matching the suboptimal reputation Australia has outside, ie. still viewed, for all intents and purposes, as having a white Australia policy with constant obsessions and demands via media for border control, immigration restrictions and population control; ditto UK and US (Tanton Network).
Even in a Jesuit Catholic outlet, an article supporting ‘No’ had comments which seem to celebrate, ignores our history e.g. post WWII (WASP) Australia majority did not support Catholic or Jewish immigration, yet now they seem think they are part of the WASP establishment?
While offshore influence and architecture has been identified in the ‘No campaign’, curious as to how One Nation and SusPopAus, like majority of LNP MPS, were silent on this issue, i.e. related to Anglo neo-eugenics movement that hide behind freedom of speech, freedom & liberty, anti-woke etc.
Then our ‘medium’ comes out post campaign and referendum to fess up that there were many ethical and moral bypasses by the ‘No campaign’ that were ignored or buried; ‘just following orders’ on messaging?
Mencken said people supporting ‘democracy’ deserve it good and hard; which safe Lib, NP or LNP electorate, that voted No, will accept Price being parachuted in and if not, why not?
LOL. Imagine someone looking at Australia from the outside, with one of the highest rates of immigration (and mostly from “not white” countries) alongside one of the highest proportion of foreign-born residents in the developed world and thinking the “White Australia Policy” was still a thing.
You try to paint with a broad brush in order to whitewash the truth. Surely we accept migrants far more than we ever did, but that does not diminish fact of the widespread ignorance and hatred of our own first peoples.
People from elsewhere have always been far more acceptable than blackfellas, to a large extent because we are not responsible for the historic evils visited upon them.
But admitting to the atrocities and barbarities we visited upon our own, is way too hard – consequently, it has always been much easier to ignore the truth and claim it was so far in the past that we’re not responsible for them.
What we are responsible for is trying to correct the modern-day traumas and social ills caused by the actions of the invaders, and that will never happen until people actually follow the dictum “if you don’t know. find out” rather than the self-serving nonsensical call to remain ever ignorant of our shared history.
No, I’m answering a specific point. Someone looking from the outside in will see an open, inviting and tolerant multicultural society, and any suggestion they’re trying to keep out the nonwhites would be laughed at.
Because in a global context that is absolutely true.
The treatment of Aborigines is highly unlikely to be even a passing thought in the typical foreigner’s mind. Heck, it’s barely one in the typical Australian’s.
Still is, obviously and has been promoted by proxies. More directly, from Germany when many who have travelled in and view white Australians, unfairly or not, as unsophisticated, shallow, conservative and racist.
A young German student one met, complained about SPA claiming to be ‘environmental’ but all they do is dog whistle ‘immigrants’ demanding ‘restrictions’ and ‘population control’; Tanton’s mob & much RW media claim division between pre ’80s white and post ’80s non discriminatory refugees and immigrants, of course like white Oz is not eugenics, wink wink 🙂
It is very demonstrably not.
(Or, if it is, it has been a dismal failure for the last twenty-odd years.)
Join the other Yes voters who are upset at the loss, joint the English football team who are upset at a loss, all of us are upset when our efforts do not succeed. You are wrong – somebody won – looks like the majority of Australian voters looking at the numbers. Did all the NO voters ” have only one thing in mind”? preposterous idea that all the NO voters only had one motivation.
The White Australia policy alive and kicking!
I hear you about Maranoa…great place, lousy politics.
But I lay a lot of the blame on Hollywood and American television. It was designed to dumb down the US population so they could more easily be led by the nose, but it worked very well on us too (and the UK, and even Germany..!!).
We often hear compaints about city people who look white claiming to be aboriginals. These would be the descendants of all the light skinned babies stolen from the bush against the will of their families and given to whities in the cities. In the past they kept their heads down because there was stigma in being aboriginal. Thats no longer the case. Now they can declare their heritage. Expect this group to stand up and make their presence felt from now on. With considerable support from the woke such as myself.
Dear me -what rubbish , babies weren’t stolen – read the original, even though the report was written by an economist, who worked all his life in Canberra – the retired Governor of the Reserve Bank who was bored in his retirement. No sociologist , anthropologist or social scientist were involved – so a retired public servant who only had an economic career wrote the report. It is like a farmer appointed to write a technical TSA report regarding a jumbo plane crash on his that landed on his property- give the report a catchy name and it will be accepted uncritically.
Nonsense. The Bringing Them Home inquiry into the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island children from their families was conducted by Sir Ronald Wilson, a former High Court judge, then President of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, and Mick Dodson, HREOC Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island Commissioner.
Try reading the source material for that enquiry and your unintelligent attempt at sophistry and deflection falls flat.
As a child in 1961 I visited Alice Springs and can still remember the children, living in car bodies in the river bed and selling sad carved sticks with dot patterns burnt on them as “boomerangs” to passing visitors. My father explained to me then that there was a policy of taking the children and bringing them up in nice clean government funded homes so they could grow up to be good citizens and go to school. He was a nice kind man who genuinely believed this was the best thing for them.
BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN WERE STOLEN – and any reasonably educated Australian was fully aware of it.
It was clear at the time, and has become clearer since the referendum, that the name of the game Dutton is playing is damage Labor and has nothing at all to do with the Indigenous Voice only in so far as the damage the topic can visit on the Albanese Government.
With Abbott waiting in the wings to take as much advantage as he can these shames us all.
That’s what I used to think, but I now think it was just as much if not more of dividing the nation over the Voice referendum, blaming the indigenous community for dividing the nation, and using it as a battering ram to send indigenous recognition and self-identity back decades.
And Australia swallowed it hook line and sinker. Except here in the ACT. But we’re the ones out of touch, right?
“But we’re the ones out of touch”
It’s possible that you are. Or at least not representative of the country as a whole.
It’s a bit like when a sane person with a modicum of humanity and decency stumbles into the comment sections of a particular media organisation. Suddenly you realise that there is a whole parallel universe out there and it’s ugly and scary.
I hope we are not representative of the country as a whole. One look at the people the rest of country chooses to represent them makes clear that many are totally outclassed by the quite lovely building on Capital Hill that they gather in.
Yes indeed. #30 might have dismissed us as bubble dwellers but at least we are not frightened of updating our constitution. Twice now.
ACT. A highly educated population. Amazing what a bit of education can do. One thing being that BS detectors work well.
Pure opportunism, playing up to deep seated nativism or old white Oz and eugenics, while the regional above median age is still overpopulated with low info skips informed by RW MSM.
Abbott (& advisor) have much to answer for on loyalties, in between other offshore gigs like UK Trade Advisor, and kissing the ring of PM ‘mini Putin’ Orban when visiting a Atlas/Koch linked anti-EU/NATO institute in Central Europe…..
What Herr OberTuber says and what he actually does can be quite different things.
Let’s put a proposal for a recognition without the Voice in front of Dutton and see what happens.
In general, I’m not sure anyone should take seriously Dutton’s supposed support for anything other than the ugliest regressive ideas, preferably something involving imprisonment, war or deportation.
Dutton is a ex Queensland copper whose previous colleagues somehow dislike.
The erstwhile G/G Bill Hayden (VALE & RIP) was also once a Qld walloper – being evil is not a job but a personal choice.