Leading progressives appear to be getting their censorship on again. NSW Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi is the latest, suing One Nation Senator Pauline Hanson over a tweet in which she asked why Farqui didn’t “piss off back to Pakistan”. This was in response to Faruqi having essayed a tweet on the death of Elizabeth II, saying she could not mourn the deceased leader of a “racist empire”. Faruqi has served notice under 18C.
This comes two days after Sydney MLA Alex Greenwich threatened to sue Mark Latham for defamation, and possibly harassment, for a tweet Latham wrote suggesting the combination of Greenwich being gay and some of the unwanted effects of anal intercourse made Greenwich a “disgusting” person, which is about as much detail as I’ll go into for a lunchtime read.
The irritation and anger of both can be understood, particularly Greenwich’s. Hanson’s tweet suggested that you had to accept everything about a country to live there, or to commit to it, while Latham’s was designed to take a universal human activity and a certain aspect of it to humiliate and embarrass Greenwich. Takes a couple of days to walk that stuff off.
But walk it off both Greenwich and Faruqi should have, and should do now. In the case of Latham and Greenwich, surely it is obvious that Latham’s tweet has destroyed his relationship, possibly irrevocably, with the Sky as dark AF crowd. This is less because the tweet was anti-gay, but because it made visible and “abject” what we all agree not to talk about. To associate with Latham is to risk contamination.
In the case of Faruqi, it is hard to see where the 18C-ready vilification lies. If Faruqi was Swedish, Hanson would presumably have told her to go back to Sweden. The tweet was a simple argument that in choosing to move to a new country, you should accept its dominant values. I don’t agree with it, but it seems a fair argument to make. I think if James Morrow believes Australia to be the socialist hellhole he makes it out to be, he should piss off back to the US and see if News Corp will pay for health insurance half as good as Medicare here. It’s a wholly reasonable argument.
Separately, Greenwich and Faruqi are helping their beleaguered targets turn tweets of squalid frustration into a free speech issue. Working together, they are going to revive One Nation from the outside, allowing Hanson and Latham to bury their differences over Latham’s tweet and turn this into a major battle over civil society and the “woke” state. You had to be pretty hardcore to support Latham after his nasty pub-joke tweet, as a glance at its replies showed. But using progressive lawfare to attack a single tweet, later deleted, as constituting harassment is a genuine attack on the capacity to have some sort of public sphere that is not crisscrossed by the state’s supervision of speech.
The contradictions of this are multiple. Left and progressive politics rely on a broad separation between the state and the public sphere, and as great a pluralism of beliefs as possible. If it was a specific racial slur Hanson had directed at Faruqi, sure, there might be a political-moral case for a legal response.
But what sort of chilling effect on broader speech does such lawfare have? For example, the streets of inner-city Melbourne are currently filled with Aboriginal flag stickers saying “Immigration is another invasion”. A minority opinion, or focus, of one Blak sovereignty faction, possibly (or even a false flag)? A legitimate argument from an anti-colonialist perspective? But by Faruqi’s standard, this is surely hate speech too.
Greenwich’s political case has even less merit. Since 1978, the movement around Mardi Gras and Pride addressed, among other things, the right to say what hitherto couldn’t be said. Then, as Mardi Gras became mainstream, one focus became the right to have a legal street march in which, inter alia, men dressed like leather dogs mimic piss play on each other, in front of anyone who happened to come downtown. Let’s face it, some of the stuff in Mardi Gras over the years has been deeply offensive to many, many people, and in a shared public place. I’ve got no problem with a state-authorised main street bacchanal one day a year, but surely supporting it is an implicit commitment to the idea that the public sphere should be a place of robust expression unhindered by the law?
Take Benjamin Law’s tweet during the same-sex marriage plebiscite: “Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-fuck all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system”. That was funny, but the implicit imagery was rape-adjacent, though progressives squirmed to find ways to say it wasn’t. (Law specified that “Hate fucking is a Gen Y term that refers to consensual sex with someone disagreeable”.) But surely its implication, that conservative MPs were really repressed bi-men who could be liberated by Australia’s favourite manic pixie dream boy, is libellous, offensive and harassing all at once. Also, as I said, very funny. Do you want to live in a world where no one can tell a joke like that?
No? Then stop trying to control public-private spaces like Twitter, short of acting against directed threats and explicitly violent ruminations. Progressives spent 40 years trying to free speech, and are now trying to lock it up because they have achieved a measure of cultural-institutional power. But if you’re going to do that sort of cynical flip, you better have all the power — and progressives, you’ve got nothing like that.
The example of Florida and Ron DeSantis shows what happens when you can’t seal the deal. The removal of books dealing with the US’s racist history has been legitimated on the grounds that some of their more sweeping claims might cause trauma and offence in white children reading them. What can be said against that, if you have already weakened the notion of a robust public sphere with the indefinite extension of the idea of offence? We don’t protect a pluralist, robust public sphere to help the right, which can look after itself. We do it to make a critical, questioning, challenging politics possible.
What’s most contradictory about this is that both tweets were the product of the frustration and defeat of the right. Hanson has lost One Nation’s swing position on the crossbench because of the Greens’ increased numbers, independent Senator David Pocock, and the JLT Thelma and Louise double-act. Latham, who thought he might be the great revivalist of One Nation, couldn’t increase its numbers, while Greenwich consolidated the progressive independent hold on central Sydney. Let Latham do himself more damage uninterrupted.
Both Faruqi and Greenwich will legitimate an absurd level of legal interference in free speech, which they will come to regret — while handing the right a rallying point. I mean, you won Alex. You’re number 1. But then so is Barbra Streisand. Would you like to see an aerial photo of her house?
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‘I mean, you won Alex. You’re number 1. But then so is Barbra Streisand. Would you like to see an aerial photo of her house?’
Brilliant point, Mr Rundle.
I recall the era when Australians used to fall about laughing in disbelief at the readiness of US litigants to mount charges over what often seemed frivolous matters. The two cases cited above are not trifling but the perpetrators of the tweets effectively shot themselves in the foot, the damage was to their own character rather than their targets.
Faruqi & Greenwich should take the high road & ignore what’s writhing in the gutter.
I didn’t get that reference about Barbra Streisand. Could you… “please explain”?
It’s a reference to the ‘Streisand Effect’ = when attempts to suppress information increases awareness of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Cheers mate
And also, in this case, where you win a legal case, but lose in the real world.
Instead of wallowing there first and then telling everyone,”come on in, the water’s fine!”?
I’m still a bit confused as to why LAtham spends so much time thinking about gay anal sex.
Has he precluded heterosexual anal sex ?
Of course not. That doesn’t suit his agenda to create aggression towards the queer community and pander to people who share his hate. His problem is and will continue to be that there aren’t enough votes in this hate to improve PHON’s electoral position.
His tweet specifically only mentioned man to man bumsex.
A possible interpretation might be that he doesn’t think heterosexual couples engage in such actions, but I imagine his browser history would tell a different story.
100% this, totally nailed it, Guy.
This issue is fairly close to the crux of my discomfort with a lot of the concerns of the modern left.
We need to not lose sight of the foundations of liberalism; the very ideas which led to the point where we’re free to be ourselves. All this doctrinaire insistence on ramming everything up to the edge of the spectrum through as the new normal is throwing huge numbers of people offside.
A good example is the alphabet soup of LGBTQIA+etc – it seems a new letter gets added every six months, and what’s the point of this cumbersome mouthful other than virtue signalling, when ‘queer’ is a perfectly good catch-all for anyone outside the gender/sexuality mainstream, and always has been.
Just insist on the stuff we really need, and stop with all this ambit wishlist crap.
Yes, seeing we’re still adding a +, why not just LG+?
Too uninclusive & hateful, as well as phobically exclusionary.
Nonsense, it happily includes anyone and everyone and avoids that list from becoming a verbal and visual nightmare.
…whooosshhhh….
Great to eavesdrop on this meeting of the Probus club talking about liberalism and freedom and dictating to people how they should describe themselves.
All these new ideas are a bit tiring aren’t they dearies?
Totally agree on the LGBT letter stuff. And I’m left, gay and a big supporter of trans people, drag queens etc. But we really shot ourselves in the foot with the QIA+ business. We lost a bit of the sensible centre here, and we need their support. Especially in these times, we need as many allies as possible
I’m pretty sure if you took out all the dishonest hysteria from the right (grooming, etc), and consequently the necessary pushback from the left, most of your concerns would disappear.
It is the right that is on the aggression side of the culture war, just like they are on the aggression side of the class war.
Or the lgbtqai+/left could just try politely ignoring the tiny tiny tiny powerless minority of fairly fringe ‘right’ players who still try to stir up reactionary sexual politics for cynical reasons. And get largely laughed at and dismissed, as Latham is here. I know the rainbow narcissists hate it, and expend enormous energy pretending otherwise, but when the PM is attending mardi gras with zero controversy, queer is mainstream, and even Fred Nile has your back, you can hardly claim outcast status any more.
But of course then the lgbtqai+/left might have to do ‘actual’ left politics, about economics, foreign policy, workplace conditions, industry, employment, education, health and fair fiscal redistribution – not so sexy and not so fun, not so much all about ‘me, me, me,’ alas.
Ah, yes. Members of the second largest political party in the country are a “tiny tiny minority”.
Ignoring the preaching of fear and hate – and its amplification through the media – does not have good historical outcomes.
You can look to the various wacko US states like Florida to see where local hatemongers are trying to take this.
Right. Because if someone doesn’t have an entire political manifesto, their views on specific issues are irrelevant. ::eyeroll::
That’s a fairly transparent figleaf over having a whinge about the damn dirty non-heteros.
As useful, desirable, and functional, as it is to “…have an entire political manifesto…” having nothing but feelzingz and internal/psychological contradictions about ‘below navel matters’ is the ultimate non-starter.
As JR notes, when the PM participates – rather than ‘attends’ – the MardiGras it’s time to take up knitting and looking after the grandkids until a new “idea” surfaces to person the barricades.
The usual vague handwaving and obsession with other peoples sexytimes.
Remind the readers, yet again, which group is constantly thrusting their groins into the public sphere.
Mark Latham made someone else’s sex life an issue.
As I said, the right are obsessed with other people’s sexytimes.
See above.
Which ‘community’ is constantly demanding affirmation, celebration, endorsement and support for their pride (hitherto an unknown concept – pride/hubris generally being considered one of the 7 and entirely an internal, moral failing) in their specialist proclivities & predilections?
See above.
If people like you and Latham weren’t constantly disparaging and denying their existence all the time, they wouldn’t need to keep reaffirming it.
How many times does one need to ‘affirm‘ some aspect of their existence to convince themselves that it is true?
BTW, you meant ‘flaunting‘.
Over & over.
AKA, exhibitionism.
Whilst I must agree with this summation, I still think you’re fixated on the behaviour you find unacceptable, rather than the issue of human rights.
Having lived and worked in Paddo in an earlier iteration, I became partially inured to the exhibitionist, childish manifestations of ‘look-at-me’ behaviour, but could never really accept it.
What people do in private is their own business, but what they do in public is, rightly, in a free society, open to criticism.
I’m sorry that not everyone complies to your dicta as to how they should think and behave. But don’t worry, Mummy will put your dummy back in the cot soon.
You seem confused about who is demanding from whom that they must do ludicrous things like pretend that dysphoria is sane, women have penises and men give birth.
Apart from the grammatical & pathological contortions forced into the public sphere by the alphabet soup brigade.
No wonder Peter Tatchell retired from Stonewall in particular and the fray in general – what is now being promulgated is not why he battled real dragons for half a century whilst today’s slacktivists were still in their parents’ gonads.
Yeah you can’t really ignore people that threaten to kill you and assault people like you . Gay bashings may be less frequent, but they still happen.
But Jack, that might involve looking at class and the whole concept’s so passé. Life’s pleasant in the silos. Look at them all. Little silos on the hillside. Little silos made of ticky tacky.
yup
“I’m pretty sure if you took out all the dishonest hysteria from the right (grooming, etc), and consequently the necessary pushback from the left, most of your concerns would disappear.
It is the right that is on the aggression side of the culture war, just like they are on the aggression side of the class war.”
Yeah nah. Have you tried to have a reasonable conversation with anyone embedded in lefty academia? Not sure about this country, but Yanks in such a category are insufferable. So self-satisfied with all the mutual virtue signalling circlejerk of their daily life that speaking to someone outside that circle is an exercise in sneering condescension.
Because university students are thought leaders. And we’re all supposed to tag along, and if you point out any of the sort of problems which may arise when all this fluff hits the real world, then it’s shun the unbeliever.
These identity politickers don’t have any business calling themselves Left, when they couldn’t give a stuff about the 99%. Splitting us up into ever-smaller groups is the stupidest idea I’ve ever seen; I’ve half a mind this angle was kicked off as an act of sabotage.
Good point there is an awful lot of variations on the prime colours, exhaustive. the rainbow has become drab apparently.
The article and most of the comments conflate free speech and hate speech. Hanson and Latham’s racist and homophobic tweets are examples of hate speech because they express and encourage hatred towards someone on the basis of their identity as members of a cultural or sexual minority. Laws against hate speech were introduced in various countries after the Second World War because of the demonstrable links between hate speech and genocide as well as other forms of racial and sexual violence. This does not apply to the tweets by Faruqi or Greenwich, who are therefore perfectly entitled to sue Hanson and Latham for racial or sexual vilification without being accused of double standards.
Wow. Just WOW!
It is not free speech which allows only such speech as the approved, briefly as is inevitable, and predigested (however useful that might be for roses) pap that clogs the air these drear days.
I didn’t really accuse them of double standards. I suggested that a critical politics which supports the idea that the state should be frequently invited in to legally sanction – civilly or criminally – cannot legitimately criticise the use of it on us. If a First Nations activist says, ‘damn white Australia, burn it down!’ is that hate speech? A snarky joke about English people?
Leaving aside the question of principle, put strategically, if you dont have total control of the process, using the state to control speech can double backfire easily.
There’s no automatic division between ‘abhorrent’ hate speech, which should be limited, and simply robust speech. Just because something is aggressive, angry, insulting, embarrassing, doesn’t make it hate speech.
The difference is that hate speech targets a racial, cultural, religious or sexual minority, as is the case with Hanson and Latham’s tweets, but not those of Faruqi, Greenwich, Benjamin Law, or even the hypothetical First Nations activist who says ‘damn white Australia, burn it down’. Hate speech laws have nothing to do with whether or not speech is abhorrent, aggressive, angry, insulting, embarrassing or simply robust, but whether or not it invokes or incites hatred or violence against racial, cultural, religious or sexual minorities – which it demonstrably has and continues to do so, especially when it comes from people with power and influence like politicians. As for the argument that ‘if you don’t have total control over the process, using the state to control speech can double backfire easily’ – according to that logic, we should have no laws to control any form of behaviour at all, because of the risk of totalitarianism, which uses any and every law as a form of oppression. On the contrary, having ‘total control of the process’ is precisely the logic of totalitarianism. Hate speech laws are not totalitarian, but were established precisely in order to forestall totalitarianism, which is inextricably linked with hate speech and hate crimes. Hate speech laws are essential to democracy because they protect people rom discrimination on the basis of race, culture, religion or sexuality. The distinction between hate speech and free speech is absolutely clear and categorical, and should not be obfuscated by the false equivalence invoked by the language of so-called ‘culture wars’.
Leaving aside the libel threats, which are civil matters:
As regards offence and harassment, i don’t see how Hanson’s comment could be racially vilifying in an offensive way, because nothing disparaging was said about Faruqi’s ethnicity, or Pakistan the country. Why is it hateful to say that someone who fundamentally disagrees with a country’s institutions should leave? Surely, it’s just a point of view about citizenship? If you could say it to a Swede or a New Zealander, why does Hanson’s comments even meet the first test of vilification or offense? If you say. ‘she wouldn’t say that about a Swede’ that’s pure speculation – and Hanson’s past record is irrelevant to whether the form of the remark is vilifying or not. Surely Latham’s remarks amount to an implicit argument that certain activities should not be engaged in because he holds them to be disgusting?
Personally, i want a society where someone can say ‘damn Australia, burn it down’ at a rally, without the threat of prosecution (avoided by having to make a self-defeating remark that it was merely metaphorical, which the speaker had to do). I’d also want people to have the right to make some reasonably general remarks about specific groups, especially identity groups, that might be seen as racist, misogynist etc. That’s not only remarks about whites or men, which radical activists make, (and which can be shut down by hate speech laws, as we’ve seen in the US.). It’s the right to say things about roups regarded as oppressed, as well.
Free speech has to have some limits. But suggesting that ‘free speech’ and ‘hate speech’ are clearly distinct is pollyannaish nonsense, an unwillingness to acknowledge a contradiction, that forces one to choose. I’d like the freedom in most cases, to say things that others would consider hate speech. That’s where the struggle lies I guess. What seems to me your implicit suggestion, that pretty much all negative speech about different social groups, counts as hate speech, strikes me as a recipe for vast repression of debate. It’s effectively the occupation of the public sphere by the legal sphere, and an invitation to turn debate into left-right lawfare. In that framework, the capacity for a forthright and critical politics dies
Saying ‘If you don’t like it here, go back to Pakistan’ is a racist dogwhistle in long tradition that goes back to ‘Juden raus’ and implicitly intimidates every non-white immigrant from Pakistan or elsewhere, just as Latham’s tweet intimates and vilifies everyone in the queer community. But you are right: one has to have the ears to hear this. Members of those communities – and Latham/Hanson supporters –would have no trouble doing so, and I would submit that a skilled prosecutor should have no trouble establishing this in a court of law. But this is an important debate that I think gets to the heart of the controversy. Best, Humph
Agree, this dismissiveness about hate speech etc. in Oz, while the article inadvertently, through Rundles role at Crikey as some devil’s advocate, seems to concur with much of the confected ‘free speech’ right wing i.e. they target, provoke and denigrate messenger &/or message, but then squeal like pigs if anyone dares to push back?
Suggests authoritarianism?
Free speech doesn’t give you the right, or excuse, to stuff up the language. “Legitimated”? Really? What’s wrong with the word “legitimised”, which has been used of aeons.
Once again, where are the Crikey sub-editors?
If there’s not at least one obscure, archaic, or invented word, it’s not a Rundle article.
It is legitimated by the dictionary.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/legitimated
OED records the use of “legitimated” at least as far back as 1715. And in fact, “legitimate” as a verb precedes the use of “legitimise”.
…and it isn’t a good ol’ Rundle article without a triggered progressive/woke type. The sub-editor in 2023 are the blue and red wave underlines.
Also known as clickbait.
Begs the question of whether there is a bastardisation of language going on here…
Now do “euthanise” and “gift” as a verb.