When North Korea’s Kim Jong-un and South Korea’s Moon Jae-in stood at the peak of the locally venerated Paektu Mountain in North Korea, near the Chinese border, and held their raised hands together, the symbolism was powerful: the two Koreas could, and would, work together.
The gesture, at the end of a more diplomatic than geographic summit, signified success. Importantly, Kim committed North Korea to a verifiable denuclearisation program, starting with dismantling a key missile test site and launching pad.
The meeting between Kim and Moon followed a lower level but also important meeting on Wednesday between South Korea’s Defence Minister, Song Young-moo, and North Korea’s Minister of the People’s Armed Forces, No Kwang Chol. That meeting agreed to reduce military tension between the two Koreas along their border, one of the most heavily fortified in the world.
However, where such a commitment had stumbled with the US, it could again stumble. North Korea will denuclearise conditional to the US taking unspecified but corresponding measures.
Many critics have suggested that North Korea would dismantle old nuclear facilities simply to build newer ones. Similarly, US intelligence reports claim that North Korea has maintained its earlier nuclear strike capacity, despite what were thought to have been productive talks between Kim and US President Donald Trump in June.
This time, however, North Korea has agreed to independent international verification. It is likely, though, that North Korea will want the US to leave South Korea, withdrawing its 28,000 troops and related hardware.
Trump came to office promising to draw down on US international military commitments, expecting other countries to do more to defend themselves. North Korea’s conditionality, then, plays perfectly to such a policy.
The glitch is that the wider US administration is likely to be more reluctant to draw down its military presence than Trump’s earlier rhetoric had suggested. And, as we now know, Trump’s capacity to make decisions is limited by the extent to which his staff allow documents to be on his desk.
Moon was elected to office on a platform of seeking resolution with North Korea. He has long been uncomfortable with, if not in direct opposition to, the way in which the US has conducted its more confrontational Korean policy.
This in turn reflects the difference between high-stakes grandstanding, perilously close to the brink of war, and who would suffer the direct consequences of such a war. While North Korea retains a nominal capacity to strike at mainland United States, the consequences of warfare for both North and South Korea are vastly greater.
For the two Koreas, sabre-rattling is not an exercise in one-upmanship, but potentially deadly positioning. Both sides know that if the threshold is crossed the consequences would be devastating for both sides. In any conflict resolution process, there needs to be an outcome that both parties can live with. In this, the US has been an important strategic actor but, for the Koreas, that time is increasingly passing.
Assuming there is further movement towards a genuine settlement, neither side will get all that it wants. But each may get enough, however that might variously be defined as strategic security, economic aid, or other forms of mutual cooperation.
Both North and South Korea need to be able to reach an agreement in which both can portray themselves as sufficient, if not absolute, winners. But, behind it all, there is the compelling logic that the existing state of affairs remain dangerous.
Both sides know that, in war, no one wins; it is simply a question of who loses least badly. Both stand to suffer greatly. The incentive, then, to find a way forward, whereby both countries can co-exist, is compelling.
The prospect of success in achieving a long-term peaceful outcome is, therefore, increasingly likely. That peaceful outcome is likely if the US does not interfere, and so long as it agrees with the wishes of the people who lives are on the line.
Damien Kingsbury is professor of international politics at Deakin University.
I was only a child at the time of the Korean War – would certainly look forward to a peaceful solution and the de-escalation of any military threat in my lifetime.
The cloud appears to be lifting from over the Korean peninsular. But it doesn’t matter whether the U.S. keeps out of it or not, Donald will claim the credit.
Is it possible that bumbling idiot Trump has inadvertently made peace on the Korean peninsula possible?
First to Bref. The short (and somewhat superficial answer) is yes. Trump is “alternative” to both the Republicans and the Democrats. He may not comprehend the theoretical significance of his tweets and actions (hence some manipulation – allude to in the article) but its real.
Now to Kingsbury (whose assignments I don’t rate all that highly). Trump has been out-manipulated by Xi. It would require 1500 words (+) to make that point but it is there. Kim was summoned to Beijing prior to the first round of chats in Singapore and, undoubtedly, received riding instructions. The “collapse” of the 2nd round was manipulated. Then we witnessed the Moon-Kim love in with synchronised clocks etc (which seems trivial but is rather profound – given that Kim created the time-mismatch in the first place).
Trump could “jag” a 2nd term of this matter comes off to the basic satisfaction of some. If Trump can obtain a few concessions (forget nuclear stuff – or maybe “only” nuclear power stations) from North Korea that may be sufficient for Trump to yank a division or two from South Korea. Who knows : the war might end officially. That would be kudos for Trump.
The major player (which Kingsbury ignores) is Xi and damn-all is going to occur without the nod from Xi. Xi is intent on controlling everything (in marine terms) from the Gulf to the South China Sea. India has snapped out of it but its a tad late. Of course the grand strategy – and the PRC is nothing if not a long term planner – is the Belt/Silk Road. So much for “preserving” 1st World Order – re: Kissinger but I digress.
Having written the above this “installment” is an improvement on the last (idiotic) installment on Korea by the good professor. Perhaps the content of these articles is established on an upward trend.
FFS Trump has nothing to do with it. Korea belongs to the Koreans and they are signalling strongly that they want to reunify. It wasn’t Koreans who split their country into two pieces in the first place. If the Americans and their allies had left the opposing warlords to sort out their own differences in 1950 the hostilities would have been short and conclusive, and the Korean War as we know it would not have happened. Will “the West” never learn to stop interfering in the affairs of other countries.
Trump has a lot to do with it but Xi more so. As for Korea belonging to the Koreans ask a Korean until 1945 when Japan occupied and ran the place.
I have a non-radical comment that has been embargoed since 20:10 but if you want a history of Korea since 1700 I’ll oblige.
Trump’s stand on Korea is for domestic political consumption only as a maverick, “break-from-the-past” sort of president. He generally then back-pedals from every position he takes, though perhaps this is some kind of clever sparring to put off-balance that other America (Amerika?), the unelected Deep State/Steady State/Permanent Government that is doing cartwheels trying to bring him down. Meanwhile Korea’s next door neighbours, the Chinese dragon and the Russian bear are sitting back, quietly watching whilst backing the reunification of this small country.
As to your other point, Korea was colonised by Japan from 1910 to 1945 only. The place naturally has a history before 1910, but that is not relevant to the discussion here which is about its modern history. The Japanese occupation was brutal, and spawned a resistance movement whose best known leader was Kim Il Sung. As such he deserves to be regarded as the founding father of the post-war Korean state. I have previously directed his autobiographical testimony to you, and do so again:
http://www.korea-dpr.info/lib/202.pdf
Last time you replied, asking “are you serious?”. I replied that there is more to be learned here about Korea than watching five hundred episodes of MASH.
Firstly, some subscribers will be aware that I have never owned a television (but I have purchased them for others). As or MASH : funny. I did see the film.
Not so funny is the current situation in Korea which deserves to be taken seriously. As conveyed previously : my substantive article is embargoed but do have a crack at that by all means when it sees the light of day. Then there is my brief reply to AR (below).
You are entitled to your assessment of Trump but we’ll see (over the next 20 months) where this project goes. As an aside the recent (yesterday, 21 Sept)
idiotic spat over trade by Trump is more an admission that Xi has the upper hand (on Korea and others) than trade per se.
A good example of how well informed the average westerner is about the world beyond the US was Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters confusing Crimea with Korea. OK we know she’s batsh*t crazy, but the point stands.
I don’t know where your “substantive article” has gone, but there are others, and I have read them. The link above is one. Consortium News had a good piece on 28 Aug 2017. You can find it here:
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/28/how-history-explains-the-korean-crisis/
The article and the readers comments which follow are quite enlightening.
Regarding MASH, it was a TV series that went on forever and was a sort of black comedy set in a field hospital. Entertaining perhaps but not very informative. The film you mention I assume was “Manchurian Candidate”, a piece of Hollywood propaganda that tried to explain away why many servicemen who returned from POW camps in North Korea spoke favourably of their treatment. It couldn’t be so, you see. They must have been “brainwashed”.
There is no reply button to you post of 22 Sept. 17:26
Well (1) certainly the average yank. Similarly for the doctrines of Ms Sarah Palin who, apparently, was asked keep her head down during the funeral of John McCain. Mike Moore has commented on the geographical ignorance of educated Americans. As for the international news for the ABC etc., to be fair, if there isn’t a dead baby somewhere then its not news.
(2) As I say : Crikey has embargoed a reply of mine to you – that will become “public” – with any luck by Tuesday (or Monday).
As to your link (article by Polk) yes – its a fair account as thumbnail sketches go these days. I have mentioned the US military personnel that decided to remain in Korea after the war previously. However, and this is the point, the environment has been transformed (even for the yanks) in 16 years. Events that occurred at the recent Summit were unimaginable five years ago. The hand of Xi is all too apparent and, of course it is in Xi’s interest to depreciate the role of Trump (and the USA generally). However, we will see what Lighthziher’s next move (on the board) will be.
Lighthziher? Searched for the name but found nothing.
Meanwhile a couple of extracts from Polk:
“Throughout most of its history, Korea regarded China as its teacher. It borrowed from China Confucianism, its concepts of law, its canons of art and its method of writing. For these, it usually paid tribute to the Chinese emperor.”
Then, after the American landings at Inchon and the drive up towards China: “To guard against intrusion into China, Zhou convinced his colleagues to move military forces up to the Chinese-Korean frontier and convinced the Soviet government to give the North Koreans air support.”, and later “…the Chinese…sent a huge armed force, some 300,000 men to stop the Americans.…Beginning on October 25, the lightly armed Chinese virtually annihilated what remained of the South Korean army and drove the Americans out of North Korea.”
It would seem China and Korea had a long history of association. As China’s present day leader Xi is keeping up a long-established tradition. The Americans and their allies are latter-day intruders who have no business being there.
Amazing : I have two embargoed replies to you and this reply just might make a third.
Robert Lighthizer : the practised U.S. Trade Representative and trade negotiator (NAFTA, Mexico, EU ..) who has rather realistic and comprehensive opinions on Asia and the PRC in particular. His papers are rather academic (i.e. well above the heads of the politicians in Oz, along with a fair percentage of the Dept. Foreign Affairs + Trade + .. [your choice here]) but he does get a mention (occasionally) in the NYT or the WSJ. Forget The Guardian or its nemesis News Corp.
“Throughout most of its history, Korea regarded China as its teacher.”
Interesting – because there is considerably more commonality in the DNA between Korea and Japan than Korea and China.
“Then, after the American landings at Inchon and the drive up towards China: “To guard against intrusion into China, Zhou convinced his colleagues to move military forces up to the Chinese-Korean frontier and convinced the Soviet government to give the North Koreans air support.”,”
Semi-true; more so than not. Stalin reneged on promises to Mao the effects of which were, inter alia, that relations never fully recovered.
However, NOW, Putin is the recipient of the ONLY PRC Friendship Medal. The yanks might declare: “go figure” but, actually, the behaviour is quite
rational and an indication as to just how much has changed since circa 1990.
“As China’s present day leader Xi is keeping up a long-established tradition. ”
In point of fact the current situation amounts to a RECENTLY re-established “tradition” – if that is the word. Reading what Xi has written for local (PRC + surrounds) consumption, since circa 2014, the insular portly prat was going to get his head broken had he carried on as he was doing so
five years ago. Kim came to his senses in the nick of time and got of his butt to do Homage to Xi prior to the chat with Trump in S/pore.
There is the matter of zapping relatives on foreign soil but that instance has gone to the goal keeper (along with similar behaviour by the Ruskies).
“The Americans and their allies are latter-day intruders who have no business being there.”
Up until about three years ago only you and a few others would have said as much. Even Abe was making undisguised belligerent remarks six months prior to the Summit in Singapore. Moon, Abe and of course the yanks would have very much had a “justification” for being there.
Now its all about “the mates”. Trump will NOT get a deal/commitment as to nuclear research and the sooner he forgets about that objective the sooner he might look like a player (if he wants the photo opportunity).
OK, with the correct spelling of Lighthizer his name turns up in searches. One of those rare creatures, an intellectual American “who has realistic and comprehensive opinions on Asia and the PRC…”..There are others but you have to go to online sources to find them, which I do personally. The mainstream news sources I have given up on in disgust a long time ago. As far as Crikey goes I and others have noted before that it covers Australian political shenanigans quite well, but is woeful when it comes to foreign affairs. In this case the title of Kingsbury’s piece is correct of course, in that the US is the fly in the ointment. An uninvited guest who is messing up the party, and who will eventually have to go away. The rest is punditry.
Having read your embargoed pieces I think that except for fine details you and I are more or less on the same page as far as Korea goes. I have previously said the Chinese dragon and the Russian bear are behind Kim, “creatively guiding” him. Yes Kim was “summoned” to Beijing before the meeting in Singapore, but on 31 May 2018 he also hosted a delegation from Russia led by Lavrov at the presidential palace in Pyongyang. Only one foreign news crew filmed that event, and that was from RT. You can watch it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx_yeF7PwTw
The event was reported by various Western news agencies including the otherwise dreadful CNN, such as here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/31/asia/sergey-lavrov-north-korea-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/04/world/gallery/kim-lavrov-pyongyang-meeting-intl/index.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/05/31/north-korea-kim-jong-un-meets-russian-fm-sergey-lavrov/658717002/
So Kim was well-primed before his meeting with Trump. Incidentally, when this was broadcast on RT on 3 June it was followed by a couple of interviews, one with Jim Jatras, the other with Hyun Lee of zoominkorea.org who opined that for Trump the upcoming meeting was a “photo op”. In other words, mainly for domestic political consumption.
Apologies over the spelling of ‘Lighthizer’
“but [Crikey] is woeful when it comes to foreign affairs.
Crikey ebbs and flows on domestic matters also. As for international topics the writer very often has a pre-conceived idea. There is no desire to explore or “think-through” the matter. Similarly for the more amateurish articles that concern domestic policy.
“In this case the title of Kingsbury’s piece is correct of course, in that the US is the fly in the ointment. ”
If Kingsbury is the best that Crikey can find then Crikey isn’t trying. I have stated previoulsly that I would like to see a 3rd year student assignment on a topic that Kingsbury has assessed as an A, B, C & F respectively. Then I would be in a position to evaluate Kingsbury. Most of what he writes is puerile drivel that would be better placed in Womans’ Day or New Idea or wherever. This article amounts to a significant improvement but at best deserves a C (only).
At the risk of appearing picky I wish to remark on your last sentence quoted. I agree that the future of Korea will be determined by the PRC rather than the USA. However, the USA is much more than a fly in the ointment but (e.g. the South China Sea issue) USA influence in the region is much diminished. In this respect Kingsbury has it wrong : it is NOT a matter of “approval” by the USA.
Largely agree with what you say. For anyone truly interested in international affairs there are many credible sites to visit on the internet. But as an Australian “alternative” I did expect more objective journalism from Crikey, particularly well-researched and independent analysis of international events that affect this country. Guy Rundle does OK but needs to condense his writing style a bit. There are such writers out there. I know for example that James O’Neill offered to do the column, but Crikey knocked him back. Perhaps there is a fear of rocking the boat too much. The following piece shows what happens to journalists who probe for the truth:
http://theconversation.com/seventy-years-after-hiroshima-who-was-australian-war-correspondent-wilfred-burchett-45965
Regarding “fly in the ointment”. Alright then “pterodactyl in the ointment”. Pterodactyls went extinct after all, a metaphor perhaps for the path ahead.
I think we can bring this thread to a close. Thanks for the exchange. All the best.