Every morning of the past week I have woken up to a new video of police violence in Hong Kong.
There was one where police in full riot gear stream into an MTR station and start attacking people on a train — the closing shot is of a couple who have been pepper-sprayed clutching each other as the man screams and screams in pain. There are multiple videos that show large groups of police holding down a single civilian to the floor. “Six strong men to catch a boy,” my friend writes in a follow up message. In one of these videos a young man is lying, face down in the cement, in a pool of blood begging to be let up. He says that one of his teeth has come out.
I was born in Hong Kong. My friend has lived there her whole life. For the last three months we have been in more frequent contact. She tells me what it’s like on the streets, marching for the future of Hong Kong and hoping to get a response to the five key demands that protesters have adopted.
On Wednesday night, Hong Kong’s Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced the withdrawal of the extradition bill, the thing that kicked off the protests all the way back in March. But the response wasn’t one of celebration; the concession was widely seen as too little, too late.
Protesters have now moved on to the other demands which were being very obviously and deliberately overlooked: most visibly, the police violence. They are demanding an independent inquiry into alleged police brutality. But the concern isn’t just coming from Hongkongers; in August, the UN Human Rights Office weighed in on the way police were using weapons and urged restraint.
In Lam’s statement she takes on the demands one by one, then offers four “actions” of her own. She brushes off the demands for amnesty for arrested protesters and the request to not classify the protests as riots. On the demand for universal suffrage she uses a whole lot of words to say nothing at all.
She looks into the camera and says that the classification of whether the last three months have been “protests” or “riots” doesn’t matter. It’s strange, then — if it really doesn’t matter, why not grant protesters this demand too, engender some goodwill? In her next breath she addresses the demand for “dropping charges against protesters and rioters and shelving prosecutions”. The use of the word “rioters” can’t help but feel like a jab. The statement is littered with little digs like this. She uses phrases like “I have explained” and “is not acceptable” often enough that it feels like a scolding.
It is Lam’s response to the protesters’ demand for an independent commission of inquiry into police violence, however, that is the most disappointing and ominous. In her Wednesday night statement she doesn’t entertain the idea for a second, saying that the Independent Police Complaints Council (IPCC) is already looking into it — that they exist for this very reason. She has since doubled down on this at a subsequent press conference.
As pointed out in this open letter from June, published by Amnesty International, the protesters won’t be satisfied by an IPCC investigation:
“Between 2004 and 2018, CAPO [Complaints Against Police Office] received 6412 complaints alleging police assault. Only four cases were substantiated by CAPO, while over half of the cases were dismissed without actionable conclusions. Between 2010 and 2018, among all of the cases on police misconduct substantiated by the IPCC, the police responded by referring only one case for prosecution, while officers in the majority of cases were only given ‘advice’.”
In the letter they specifically ask for an independent commission not run by the IPCC. It’s hardly surprising given the IPCC’s history. It is also perhaps not as independent as its name would suggest — CAPO is the branch of the police that oversees complaints, and IPCC is the civilian group that oversees them. Who decides who is on the IPCC though? The chief executive.
There’s a moment of hope at the end of Lam’s eight-minute statement. “Fellow citizens,” she says, “lingering violence is damaging the very foundations of our society…” For a second I think she is finally going to acknowledge the reality of the situation — the disproportionate response of the police; the use of tear gas in MTR stations, affecting people not involved in the protests; the woman who almost lost an eye. Then, she finishes her sentence: “… Especially the rule of law.”
There has been violence on both sides. It’s true. But, from what Hong Kong’s chief executive has said, it seems likely only one side is going to be penalised for it.
I’ve also seen on via MoA the pop up rioters, i.e. “armed protesters”, trashing trains, stations and frightened but defiant passengers with not a single cop in sight. There are also links to uncensored bbc and us tv footages, links that radically change the stories. Maybe the author should expand her morning video sources. It’s the rioters that are doing the trashing in HK and its reputation. Who would visit the place now?
Thatchers British departing gift of a turd, the first ever democratic HK govt, is a stitch up extremist neoliberal scam and should be replaced with something democratic maybe like the old Greater London Council that was scrapped by Thatcher.
This whole saga is just part of the ongoing US “trade war/real war threats against China” BS.
Sure is disgraceful what those ‘protesters’ (ie CIA agents) are doing over there. Why don’t you go over there and join the HK police force and help smoke ’em out? Pay’s supposed to be very good. No language or communication skills needed. Just join in a bunch of cops and beat the crap out of anyone you come across until they bleed or lose an eye. Go after the young ones (especially females), they’re an easy target. And don’t be fooled by those school uniforms, the CIA recruits them really young these days.
Yeah. Sure. You make a lot of sense.
Glad you like it. It fits in pretty neatly with your way of thinking although there are a couple of loose ends, like: how did the CIA smuggle over a million agents into Honkers? Did they come through Taiwan? Have they been hiding in the US embassy? Still need to work that one out.
I thought he may have confused the HK protestors with the Yellow Vests in France, applet.
It was the reference to ‘losing an eye’ that had me wondering.
Because any link I attach sends the whole show off to the mods, never to be seen again, I recommend seeking out a CNN article (yes, CNN!) from July, where they mention “at least 24” as the number of eyes ‘lost’ by Gilets Jaunes since they kicked off, which is a long time before the HK protests.
That modding of links seems to be automatic. Have you tried writing a link in the format “frednurk(dot)com(dot)au”?
Observe how rebellion is criminalised while state-sponsored violence is normalised.
Observe too the careful blindness to the imbalance of power between powerful State and powerless citizen, especially when the latter is a protester. Exactly the same as between powerful employer and powerless employee.
Official violence is extensive and permanent and mentally even more than physically damaging; it is just normalised, with critics aggressively silenced.
We in fact have a pattern of both concealment and acceptance of official excess and criminality, “keeping us safe” being the customary infantile formula.
Journalists, for all their talk of driving accountability, have accepted and continue to accept without criticism or even any good reason far too many government decisions. No doubt part of the reason is that like the public service, media industry stringencies and redundancies have replaced the skilled and experienced with hacks focussed on earning the favour of the powerful to keep their jobs.
Hong Kong protesters’ greatest crime is to expose the institutionalised use of State power to protect Hong Kong’s classs division and class exploitation.
I can’t help but disagree. CIA meddling in Chinese affairs, designed to destabilise and distract and provoke international disdain, has predictably popped the genie out of the bottle. Of course China would eventually draw HK back into the mainland, and this has been cheekily leveraged by the the desperate ex-hegemon the US has become. It’s hard to see anything else happening other than a solid and probably scary clampdown by the mainland now – and most of the blood will be – as has been typical this last 60-70 years – on US hands.
I’ve been wondering about that. The US is in confrontation mode against China and Hong Kong, free and open as it has been and still is, would be a sitting duck for a bit of undercover stirring hoping both to distract Beijing and to spread the discontent to the mainland at a time when US action on trade seeks to suppress Chinese economic growth. That’s what the CIA does for a living. That’s not to say that most of the protesters don’t genuinely believe in their cause but in the environment there it would be easy to set up an insurrection. Sadly, Beijing is likely to see this as an argument against liberalisation.
Standard regime change modus operandi. Hijack legitimate (though perhaps idealistic and/or naive) crowds of protesters by infiltrating them with well-organised, militant provocateurs and create havoc. Then “unknown shooters” start killing people, and next thing you know the old administration falls and a new, compliant one is installed. It happened easily enough in Kiev, but there’s no way it could happen in China. As you say, the whole purpose is undercover stirring against the PRC.
Following on to my comment above, I recommend a book by Kees van der Pijl called Prism of Disaster. It deals specifically with MH17 and Ukraine, but more broadly is a study of the new Cold War in which the PRC is now also targeted. You can order it here:
https://www.manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526131096/
Wrong; by this standard, no popular protest would ever be permissible. After all, look how successive ilLiberal misgovernments have criticised the PRC. The protesters’ demands are both moderate and legitimate – unless you believe in police states?
Unfortunately Ambrose, Al like some of the other commentators here, do believe in police states, as evidenced by their unwavering defense of both Putin and Xi.
First you Oldie. Just can’t get past your shallow and ignorant personal attacks, can you? Please go back to your homoerotic obsession with Putin, and let us commentators bounce our ideas back and forth.
Secondly to Ambrose. I don’t understand what you mean by “this standard”. What I am saying is that when crowds of protesters assemble, for whatever reason, they can be infiltrated by well-organised, militant provocateurs who proceed to wreak havoc using the protesters as a cover. So before assuming every act of violence you see on TV is “state-sponsored”, perhaps you might consider the possibility that it could be a reaction to violence initiated by infiltrated non-state actors.
Overall, I prefer to think of what is happening in Hong Kong as an internal Chinese matter. Outsiders should butt out and let Chinese in China settle their affairs by themselves.
Oldie, it’s unlikely that anyone commenting here approves of police brutality. The people in Hong Kong have genuine grievances that have not been addressed since the return of the city to China. However, knowing China’s system of government, the limited degree of freedom and openness presently enjoyed by Hong Kong residents is not likely to improve and the longer the demonstrations go on more likely the authorities will resort to harsh measures to restore what they regard as order. What’s behind it all? Just compare the blow-by-blow MSM treatment of the Hong Kong unrest with the near silence about the very harsh Indian Government oppression in formerly semi-automous Kashmir.
Al, I’m not really obsessed with Putin. In an earlier post that you may have overlooked I stated that I am deeply and equally concerned by Trump, Putin and Xi, each of who have the capacity to extinguish human life on this planet while seeming oblivious to the impending catastrophe of climate change. I am willing to add Netanyahu, Modi and Kim Jong-Un to this list of dangerous individuals even though they do not have the same fire-power as the first three, because they can easily light a fuse that could drag the first three into the conflict. What bothers me is when commentators like yourself seem to be willing to point out the dangers caused by one or more of these 3 (or 6 if you like) while claiming that the others are relatively harmless rational leaders.
Drifting off-topic Oldie. This discussion is about popular discontent which boils over into street demonstrations, which, if there is an external geopolitical agenda, can be augmented and infiltrated by provocateurs to accelerate and service that agenda. Such infiltration does not appear to be happening in Paris because France is in the Western fold, no regime change operations needed, whereas China is being targeted in the new Cold War presently underway.
I recommend you order the book I refer to above. A meticulous analyses of the events in Kiev in February 2014, and their relation to the MH17 tragedy. The parallels are painfully obvious.
Al, is guy Van Der Pijl the same person who according to Wikipedia claimed that “Israelis brought down the Twin Towers during the 9/11 attacks ‘with help from Zionists in the US government'” and was booted out of Sussex Uni because he refused to distance himself from anti-Zionism? Just askin’.
Playing the man and not the ball again, Oldie? Wikipedia may be a good first-pass source for many things but it is also open to editing by anyone, and so is frequently used as a propaganda tool to misinform, to dupe and to discredit. Use it judiciously. I got his book and have read it, and agree pretty much with his account of what happened, as I saw it from here. I recommend you get it.
Regarding the “Twin Towers” it should actually be “Triple Towers”, as the third building, WTC7, did not catch fire but collapsed into its own footprint (as did the other two). And strangely enough, the BBC reported its collapse 20 minutes before it happened. The BBC report can be viewed on YouTube, the reporter (Jane Standley) reporting its collapse while the building itself is still visible, standing in the background. You can watch it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GcjP9KVR7E.
A recently-released engineering report concluded it was a “controlled demolition”. Just sayin”.
This Beijing “Lam Chop” is remarkably like the Shari Lewis glove puppet of the same name/different spelling.
The title suggests there’s only one way to stop the violence but the text leaves me none the wiser. Reign in the cops, universal suffrage, accede to the five demands ? Please explain.
As I said last week a Tiannenmen style crackdown is problematic for physical, political and time of history reasons. Regular PRC folk have no great love for Hongkies and vice versa so not a lot of undue proletarian trouble cooking. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen but I still reckon Beijing can easily sit back for now.
You’re probably right on this one. Apparently Beijing has told Carrie Lam that the PLA won’t invade HK under any circumstances as it would destroy any reputation China has in the international community. They intend to sit it out, while escalating the police violence so it’s going to be a long struggle. If this is correct, the best strategy would be to start building some kind of BDS movement as is being used to put pressure on Israel for its occupation of Palestine.
Maybe the CIA could stop fueling the violence via the National endowment for Democracy. The protests started as a legitimate peaceful demonstration and have been seized upon by the US deep-state as they encourage and fund the violence through their local proxies. There are photos showing the lead protestors engaged with US diplomatic staff. The US has nearly 600 “diplomatic” staff in Hong Kong.
Why do media organisations such as crikey think they can get away with such woeful reporting. We are on the internet, I can rapidly research the actual facts.
Where is the coverage of the yellow vest protests in France which have seen people killed and some 25 people lose their sight or suffer serious injury such as missing hands? Do the people in France seeking liberation from Neo-fuedalism not deserve coverage?
How is the US treating black protestors in Baltimore? How is Australia treating its refugee protests in concentration camps? How is Australia treating Julian Assange’s imprisonment?
Our housing bubble is about to burst and both major parties are supporting open ended legislation to ban cash so the Australian public is forced into bailing out the banking cartels with negative interest rates instead of getting on the belt and road program and raising the standard of living for everyone around the world. Australia has been played by the UK and the US for too long.
Still, mustn’t grumble.
You’re absolutely right Bones. This rubbish article along with the regular tosh by Sainsbury can only meant to be a parody of our MSM rags.
The only benefit I’ve ever extracted from these pieces is the comments that can often direct me to better sites with close to the ground information or different or nuanced views on these topics. There is so much out there.
For me, Crikey only functions as a conduit to the world by presenting these ridiculous opinion pieces and generating the subsequent and often sane comments.
“The only benefit I’ve ever extracted from these pieces is the comments that can often direct me to better sites with close to the ground information or different or nuanced views on these topics. There is so much out there.”
My sentiments exactly and thanks to those who offer links/leads to those sites.
If you are genuinely interested in following the HK issue, have a look at this link and others on HKFP:
https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/09/08/thanks-yanks-no-thanks-us-intervention-hong-kongs-crisis-may-protesters-bargained/
Did you actually read this article before posting the link? It is precisely an analysis of opportunistic foreign interference in the affairs of Hong Kong and China that I referred to in my previous comments.
I did indeed read it, Al, which is why I pointed it out. As you say, the author pointed out that foreign opportunists have attempted to influence these events and that some of the participants have naively taken the bait. The writer ALSO adds that the majority of the participants have shunned these naive people and rejected their foolish mistakes. My point is that to say that the CIA has played a large part in causing these protests is as mistaken as claiming that the gilets jaunes in France were created by Putin. Both these movements were the result of the arrogance of their leaders actions and should be supported and encouraged as much as possible.
See my comment at 9:13 pm above.
I’m interested and I’ll click your link as is my habit here. I figure if anyone’s gone to the trouble (and the Crikey mods can be quite troubling) to post a link on a topic that interests me, the least I can do is check it out.
I’ve been known to thank folks for posting links in the past so I’ll take this opportunity to thank you too Oldie.
Whether I agree or disagree with them, I put a high value on most of the input of the Crikey readership.
Here’s a link to an article by journalist Andre Vltchek who is on the ground, and is an experienced observer of protests world-wide.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468508-hong-kong-protests-violent/
Meanwhile, Joshua Wong, Hong Kong’s version of Guaido in Venezuela and Navalny in Russia, turns up in Berlin at a “human rights” conference at the Reichstag organised by the German tabloid “Bild”. In addition to declaring a new Cold War he called Hong Kong a “new Berlin”. At the event he was photographed in the company of Vitali Klitschko, mayor of Kiev and a beneficiary of the 2014 coup, and Raed Al Saleh, head of the “White Helmets” who stage and film fake “chemical attacks” in Syria. By their company you shall know them.
Sigh….Al, how many times does it need to be said that this movement doesn’t have any real leaders? If you are serious about getting a better perspective on this, try following Wilfred Chan on twitter for a day or so.
Then there’s our own Canberra based “China Heritage” with contributions like this: http://chinaheritage.net/journal/a-summer-of-blood-and-tears-according-to-six-hong-kong-high-school-students/?lang=zh
If you read these and HKFP and still believe it’s just one huge conspiracy then nothing else I say will convince you.