With Russian forces heading towards Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities, and the Ukrainian government distributing millions of units of weapons and ammunition, the invasion of Ukraine looks set to advance to a stage of shocking brutality.
If Russia was previously trying to limit civilian casualties — if — it is now trying to make cities capitulate quickly with terror bombing. Prolonged resistance will quickly brutalise its leaders and troops. Western and global disapproval seem unlikely to limit that. It didn’t stop the US creating mass civilian death in Fallujah or Mosul in the Iraq War and its aftermath, once the smart war had yielded to a dumb one, so it’s unlikely to stay the hand of a less frequent invader such as Russia.
The use of “thermobaric” weapons (no, I’d never heard of them either) to level city blocks is akin to the US in Afghanistan using the beguilingly named “daisycutter” bombs (so called because the pressure wave decapitates for kilometres around) to save such Afghans as remained from terrorists. With both the UK and the US ruling out an air war — Russia is dubbed a “no-fly zone” — any real prospect of stopping Russia’s escalation seems gone.
But with a Ukrainian civilian force armed, does another type of war — or post-war resistance — then start? That would be a classic guerrilla struggle in which Ukrainian forces attack from the countryside to the cities, hold temporary pockets of territory, and keep the fight going until Russian forces are demoralised — and until Russian domestic resistance to Putin increases and the oligarchs who surround him find a replacement (presuming they are not lethally purged beforehand). Vietnam won. Afghanistan won, twice. Anything is possible.
What might be missing in Ukraine are things we don’t want to talk about — ethnic solidarity; the willingness to face death. Vietnam and Afghanistan faced invaders of a different race, and their traditional societies vested meaning collectively, rather than individually. Death in the defence of your nation from enslavement is far more accepted, or inevitable. Doubtless some Ukrainians feel that way, but how many?
Many might surmise that Russia, which shares ethnicity with Ukraine, would simply split the country, install puppet governments and eventually, mostly, piss off. It’s a deal a lot might be willing to take. Though poorer, they’re much the same as us, seeing life as an individual narrative with connections, not one to be easily let go. In that scenario, the social glue wouldn’t be there for a resistance, to turn process into praxis, as they used to say.
There may also arise in some Ukrainians a sense that the country stumbled into a war with an adjacent great power, due to the hubris of Ukraine’s leaders and a foolish unwillingness to appease a superior power. Tracking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s statements and acts in the months leading up to this, there is a strange sense that real risks are not being calibrated accurately. The European Union (EU) is appealed to as a guarantor of independence as the Russian troops mass. Zelenskyy calls for calm, while signing the NATO-Ukraine technology cooperation deal, even though it offers no immediate advantage.
What was he thinking as this was going on? Were there promises from the West he was relying on, out of naivety or because the West systematically lied to him about what support he might expect? This business of now applying to join the EU, after tele-addressing the European Parliament, is pure theatre, of course, but what’s the point? To confront the EU/NATO with their own inaction? Or with their earlier promises?
Has he been, contrary to what I thought earlier, as delusional as Georgia’s president Mikheil Saakashvili in 2008, who imagined that the West would live up to its rhetoric of freedom and self-determination? Was it possibly the hubris of the smooth professional, a comedian-actor’s belief that he could talk his way out of anything? For all Zelenskyy’s courage now, there has to be a question as to how Ukraine is faring in this dire situation.
Such considerations raise the manner by which he became president. Seen from the corner of the eye a few years ago, it looked like quirky postmodern history: a comedian, who played a nobody who becomes president, becomes president. After 30 years of free Ukraine, in which one blobbish thug was succeeded by another, interrupted only by the crown-plaited gift-shop valkyrie Yulia Tymoshenko, this meta-joke election seemed to say that the old world was over. Even in darkest Eurasia the new kids were taking over. Zelenskyy was like Finland’s president, who doesn’t take her work phone when she goes out raving, or El Salvador’s Bitcoin-nerd president, or Chile’s Gabriel Boric.
The TV-president-becomes-president schtick was always a little too cute. And as it turned out, Zelenskyy’s major backer was billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky, who owns the TV network Zelenskyy’s shows ran on — plus a private bank, and a private army — and who turned against the pro-Russian self-declared republics.
Kolomoisky had extensive US-UK connections right up to Zelenskyy’s election, an expertly designed, meme-heavy social media campaign. Kolomoisky’s looting of his own bank killed his US connections, and when Zelenskyy refused to help, Kolomoisky swung rather sharply towards Putin, arguing that Ukraine should acquiesce to Russia’s demands.
Zelenskyy won the 2019 election fairly, but it’s hard not to see it as an engineered candidacy, with the same murky backroom character of the 2014 revolution and election itself, oriented to installing a more pro-European candidate than many Ukrainians quite realised they were getting.
The Ukrainians have thus been led to a place of isolation and defeat, possibly heroic — but with the disastrous course from the past, disguised by the media politics of the present. They have got little from the West, except materiel — even the EU (not NATO) plan to transfer fighter jets has fallen apart.
The prospects are grim indeed. There is no need to believe the spurious notion that the US is somehow more restrained against its enemies than Russia to know that a prolonged struggle will shred the country. Yet now, it appears that nothing less than utter capitulation and exile (at best) for Zelenskyy and numerous others will suffice to stop the war. Will it simply be normalised, like the slowly turning meat grinder of Afghanistan or the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s? And, let’s be frank about what would stun most: one involving Christian white people. That disastrous prospect may be the fulcrum on which history turns.

“Zelenskyy won the 2019 election fairly, but it’s hard not to see it as an engineered candidacy…”
Doesn’t that mean Zelensky won about as fairly and legitimately as just about any national elected leader anywhere ever has?
His latest popularity poll that I read had him at less than 20%.
Then you need to do some more reading – last week his approval rating was 91%.
Well that’s possible Bob, being a war president in the US makes one invincible at the polls.
Smirko’s certainly praying so, but it doesn’t seem to be working out for him. Yet.
We’re not talking about the US.
But Bob the US is everywhere, they are like fleas.
Think it was Thatcher in the UK who benefitted most from going to war. Viet Nam did not serve Johnson well in USA – stopped him from seeking a second term in his own right.
Got 70% of the vote, the poll that matters. Where is Morrison these days?
Good comment, needed to be said. The slant is not exactly subtle.
Is there any democracy that isn’t subject to State capture by the same vested interests that control unelected Governments?
I think Zelenski realised what was coming. He did try and start to implement some of the Minsk agreement in 2019, but riots and bombings from the ultra nationalist “nazi” segments caused him to change his mind…..He was aware, I think of what was going to happen, and seemed to start to make overtures to stop it/call a ceasefire, but was very quickly pulled back. Admit that Ukraine is not run by Zelenski, but by the CIA and Nationalist nut jobs – they call the shots, and their blind hatred of Russia lead up to this. The US is now smugly satisfied…..they gulled Russia into attacking by refusing to make any concessions, and the massive propaganda onslaught since has meant they’ve won the “information” war. Russia has been re-established as the ever-present danger to world peace, NATO has been re-established as an absolutely necessary bulwark against it, the endless money flow has been maintained from the paying public to the war machine and the EU has been weakened with different countries aligning in different camps.
Russia went in trying to limit civilian casualties…they have been targeting military structures, but there is always “overlap”. Now the Ukrainian fanatics are actively using civilians as human shields and walls….as per this press release
“According to operational information received in the city of Mariupol, on the territory of the Azov-Stal plant, the commander of a separate special forces detachment “Azov” of 12 armoured units of the National Guard of Ukraine is preparing for a mass provocation with the death of civilians. For this purpose, the civilian population is brought into the territory of the Azov-Steel plant, which is placed in mined workshops and office premises. Military equipment is placed in the courtyard of the enterprise. In the event of a breakthrough in the defense of the city of Mariupol by units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the nationalists plan to blow up the plant’s buildings, with further accusation of the Russian side of destroying civilians and civilian infrastructure with artillery fire.
In the basement and premises of school No. 34 on 17 Gastelo Street, more than 60 civilians are forcibly detained, of which more than half are women and children. All civilians who tried to leave the city through the provided humanitarian corridors are forcibly brought to the school. According to information from the teachers of the Priazov State Technical University, located along Universitetskaya Street, 7, militants from the Azov unit began to mine the building, as well as the approaches to it with controlled explosive devices.
So…what do you do. The west only cares about civilian deaths to use as a bludgeon to take out it’s hate on Russia – virtue signaling is becoming an art in the west, but very few really care.
This whole scene has certainly reduced our respect for our fellow humans…..is the future turning to living in small communities that look out for each other……sort of where humanity came from?
Whose?
Googling a quote from above in inverted commas (a lot of places published it verbatim), it appears it was issued by Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) People’s Militia, which by Wikipedia is A Russian Separatist Force in Ukraine.
And Liddle quotes it as fact …. (whilst forgetting to name the source).
Fascinating watching the desperation of many ageing ideologues to run cover for Putin, both left and right…..
Swallow enough Russian propaganda and you start hallucinating. How is “the US now smugly satisfied?” Where is any evidence for this? You are anthropomorphising “the US” into some kind of Marvel supervillain and giving it credit for a criminal mastermind which it doesn’t currently appear to possess. It’s not doing that great a job of governing its own nation, after all. I’m not sure Putin would be happy with his casting as a hapless puppet either, though of course he is happy to cast himself as the victim.
Have you ever heard of the NED? Putin is a scumbag but so is the US Government on so many levels.
Wow! Lexus is starting to wake up!!! AP7, your work has not been entirely in vain!!!
I know the US is, or was, a warmongering capitalist state responsible for many disasters, but I’m pretty sure Putin broke this one.
You have a 3 second memory. Or are hust ignorant.
If I had achieved my strategic aim of turning my greatest historical enemy into an international pariah, to be able to impose international sanctions which are designed to bring this enemy to it’s knees and to force it into a dangerous and nasty conflict with another country without putting any of my skin in the game, it would be unlikely that I would NOT feel smug satisfaction. I think John Liddle is quite safe in assuming that nasty piece of work Joseph Biden is feeling very smug right now. Along with Nulan and all of the other neo-cons who promote regime change around the world.
If you think the Putin propaganda is all false, have look at a news item published by the Guardian on Azov’s recruitment of young “all white” teenagers to their cause:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/sep/04/i-want-to-bring-up-a-warrior-ukraines-far-right-childrens-camp-video.
This is the same media outlet that is now claiming everything put out by Putin is false propaganda.
I would also point you towards the manifestos of the political class of Ukraine all available on the internet if you bother to look, not very nice reading I can assure you. Not too far from Adolf and his mates. You might be interested to know that Adolf didn’t just beat up communists, homeosexuals and Jews, he also got his thugs to beat up Gypsies (Romas). These people have been subject of the thuggery of the “butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth” Ukrainians for the past ten to fifteen years. However the Romas are quite a bit darker than the rest so it’s probably OK.
Have a read of Herman and Chomsky’s Manufacturing consent if you don’t think the US does propaganda.
Guy, let’s be more frank about the observation “… let’s be frank about what would stun most: one involving Christian white people”- you’ve outlined that innate racial divide between certain white western people (broadly western 1st world europeans in the EU or from the anglophonic states ) and non-white people, ranging from innate unwualified racism to hidden white privilege. I guess these sorts of white people are much more or easily accepting of non-white suffering than white suffering in their world.
It is hard-wired in human beings to feel more affinity with others like oneself in some way, whether it be by age, gender, nationality. religion, occupation or political views. Rather than think’ At least I treat all races equally’, we need to make an effort to consciously overcome whichever of these biases is currently operating.
Otherwise, we come across as a bit smug and self-righteous.
It could almost be called a religious war, Russian speakers really means Orthodox while a lot of but not all Ukraines being Catholic. The Great Schism of 1054 still hangs over the heads of people like the sword of Damocles
The churches made some revival after Soviet times, and the Catholicism had a national identity role for some Ukrainians under Soviet control, as it did for the Poles. But really for most contemporary Russians and Ukrainians the churches have been marginal to identity in most contexts. Of course in a conflict situation like now, there could be an attempt to mobilise this identity but mostly both groups are (post?) moderns living in cities and pretty much secular and non-practicing, like here. The division doesn’t really even get to the levels functioning among Australians of Irish Catholic v English Protestant of 60 years ago.
Even the Russian versus Ukrainian speaker division, so beloved of Putin propaganda and cliché seeking journalists, is largely bogus as a predictor of people’s national identity, though in some parts of the country it may have more weight than in others. Zelenskyy is a Russian speaker, Nazi members of the Ukrainian Azov battalion in the East are Russian speakers and so on.
So it’s not a religious war at all. It is a war between a self-identified people (citizens) defending their democratic state and an authoritarian state led by a dictator who will not accept Ukrainians’ right to self-govern. At least that’s how Ukrainians and I suspect many Russians perceive it.
Potential schism looming, or not (which should concern Putin) as the Russian Orthodox Church has called out the invasion as of two days ago (according to RFE), Ukraine Orthodox Church is now independent of the Russian Orthodox Church of course no love for Putin.
According to Euractiv (27 Feb ’22) ‘Greece fumes at Russia after ten Greeks die from ‘Orthodox’ bombs in Ukraine. Tensions between Athens and Moscow flared up after ten Greek expatriates were killed during a bombing by Russian forces in Sartana, a village in the Donetsk oblast in eastern Ukraine.
The Russian embassy in Athens issued a statement saying Russia does not bomb residential areas and villages.
“On the outskirts of the village of Sartana, the Russian forces today did not have any military operations,” the embassy said, adding that Ukrainian soldiers should be held responsible instead. A Greek foreign ministry spokesman accused the Russian embassy of spreading lies.’
It’s hardly developing Orthodox fraternity, meanwhile several key factors are ignored in Anglosphere, while focusing upon Ukraine, Europe and US, geopolitics in the region, President Xi (who was allegedly shocked by Putin’s move), Kazakhstan (Putin supported in populist uprising but they refused to help in Ukraine) and his alter ego, Erdogan in Turkey who also has the Ecumenical Orthodox Fener Patriarch based in Istanbul.
Wait to see what happens with Kiev, the centre of Ukraine and Russian Orthodoxy and icons, after Prince Vlad the Great in late 10th century was inspired by the Orthodox Hagia Sophia in the 2nd Rome i.e. Constantinople/Byzantium i.e. Istanbul; Moscow wanting to be the third….
Or do Russian forces and/or regime, with backing of the Church, become some form of self appointed Byzantine Orthodox ‘iconclasts’?
‘Without backing of the Church’
Doesn’t look good does it Drew, will the Christians trump the Muslims in savagery again.
No, irrelevant. The Orthodox Church will outlast Putin and regime, and can apply the blow torch to his regime if they are no longer an ally, and impact Putin’s Christian credentials in the eyes of Russian citizens.
That’s true, Russians are very conservative Orthodox types.
What if…. Ukrainian, and especially Kievan, Orthodox Churches and icons are destroyed/badly damaged in any potential siege?
Will Russia, Greek, etc. Orthodox patriarchs, and Russian believers, simply stand and watch their ‘infrastructure’ being destroyed both physically and metaphorically?
IF
This may be PART of the reason that Putin has limited SOME of his attacks on Kiev although I don’t think he gives a stuff about religion, like Marlowe’s Machiavellian character who says:
“I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance”
Better Chris’ Faustus than Goethe’s.
Ah yes the old ‘only white people are racists’ trope.
Welcome back, thought that you’d OD on too many Olde Contrarian cocktails.
Your piece is a sea turtle in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch — an unbreakable quest for truth and knowledge being tripped by propaganda, emotion and half-truths. I saw all the very disappointing, emotionally-driven comments yesterday to what was a blunt analysis and opinion of the situation. Today is even better. It baffles me how people are shocked and in a lather about how states conduct themselves — as if they were hidden in a closet throughout history.
Compare and contrast with Rundle’s recent article about the bastardly of the US in letting Afghanistan under the Taliban starve. Less of the coolly rational realpolitik there.
From the German Language Society GfdS.
Post Truth refers to the growing tendency of “political and social discussions” to be dominated by “emotions instead of facts”.
The GfdS adds: Ever greater sections of the population are ready to ignore facts, and even to accept obvious lies willingly. Not the claim to truth, but the expression of the ‘felt truth’ leads to success in the ‘post-factual age’.
Particularly when society has their cognitive dissonance stoked continuously by a hyped up false media.
Yes I appreciate Guys attempt to play it straight as per the facts as he sees them after all all one gets in the closet id Sky
afterin the Dark.I am insufficiently familiar with many other languages to be sure but some grammatical structures make demagoguery easier.
The obvious example being German with verbs at the end of an adjectival and adverb rich sentence, in reverse order but time modified.
However I have listened to rabble-rousers in languages unfamiliar and noted/felt the swirl, surge and direction of rhetoric – especially scary in Hindi or Urdu.
and your post is like a nice cool sea breeze coming through the window of a room full of hot air. Thank you so much Nina_S.
ps how did a grownup gain entry into this room anyway?
Guy. I can accept the honest brutal reality. But if we accept that international politics has nothing to do with the basic concepts of good and bad, then I think we are giving in to philosophical nothingness. Whatever the mechanisms and perversions, what Putin has unleashed is pure evil, as were the invasions of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Let’s not give up on morality and ethics. And I see nothing fundamentally unethical about Zelenskiy.
Well put. “Realism” in international relations is usually the preserve of the right, think Kissinger. A critical IR, that includes moral calculations and effects, is not just possible and desirable but an antidote to the nihilistic insanity realism can lead to.
a big difference I reckon between advocating for a real-politik programme, à la Kissinger, that presents itself as a value-free approach to statecraft, making cold, rational and calculated decisions in the “national interest”, on the one hand, and applying realist analytical tools to understand the intricacies of geopolitical realities, on the other. The former is in any case never doing what it says, because the programme is always driven by a permanently unstable consensus of competing vested interests, and therefore fundamentally irrational; and the real-politik discourse is then burdened with the task of concealing vested interests and reconciling impossible contradictions. Analysis based on rigorous application of realist principles and analytical tools can, on the other hand, reveal much of what real-politik programmes are designed to conceal. Attempting to understand geopolitical realities through this lens is not thereby giving up on morality and ethics.
Both Kissinger and George Kennan thought NATO eastward expansion was a really stupid idea; their “realism” enabled them to see very clearly that NATO expansion would result in “nihilistic insanity”